sway bar conversions

[SilverY2KCivic]

Originally Posted by Nackattack

Sry I did mean sway frnt sway bar(located above engine) not tower.

Above the engine IS a tower/strut bar. Swaybar is UNDER the car attached to the control arms. Only the Civic and Integra Type-R's came with one stock.

[Nackattack]

Originally Posted by SilverY2KCivic

Above the engine IS a tower/strut bar. Swaybar is UNDER the car attached to the control arms. Only the Civic and Integra Type-R's came with one stock.

Well alrighty to clarify, I have frnt tower(above engine bay) and I believe that is it. Am I going to want toget rear tower or rear sway first?

[SilverY2KCivic]

Originally Posted by Nackattack

Well alrighty to clarify, I have frnt tower(above engine bay) and I believe that is it. Am I going to want toget rear tower or rear sway first?

Rear swaybar for sure. A rear tower bar won't do you very much if anything, they definitely don't reduce sway.

[SilverY2KCivic]

Originally Posted by Nackattack

Well alrighty to clarify, I have frnt tower(above engine bay) and I believe that is it. Am I going to want toget rear tower or rear sway first?

Rear swaybar for sure. A rear tower bar won't do you very much if anything, they definitely don't reduce sway.

[Kven]

Originally Posted by SilverY2KCivic

Swaybar is UNDER the car attached to the control arms. Only the Civic and Integra Type-R's came with one stock.

I know for sure that the 91 Accord LX has a front sway, and have read about the Prelude having front sways(but havent checked in person), so im pretty sure the civic and integra-r arent the only ones with front sways...

[SilverY2KCivic]

Originally Posted by Kven

I know for sure that the 91 Accord LX has a front sway, and have read about the Prelude having front sways(but havent checked in person), so im pretty sure the civic and integra-r arent the only ones with front sways...

I meant CTR and ITR only for upper front strut bar. MOST Hondas except usually for DX's and sometimes LX's don't come with a front sway. All Preludes (6th gen at least, maybe 5th gen too) come with a front swaybar.

[Nackattack]

The rear sway bar only assists the springs and shocks right. Are the springs and shocks the majority of the body roll. I just got some koni reds, and I know that is going to stiffen everything up greatly seeing as whoever dropped this car didn't change the shocks. HOw much will sway bar make a difference after shocks are installed?

[SilverY2KCivic]

Originally Posted by Nackattack

The rear sway bar only assists the springs and shocks right. Are the springs and shocks the majority of the body roll. I just got some koni reds, and I know that is going to stiffen everything up greatly seeing as whoever dropped this car didn't change the shocks. HOw much will sway bar make a difference after shocks are installed?

A BIG differance unless you're running at least 12kg (738lbs.) rate springs or higher. Reds can only support about up to 500lbs springs or so if even that much.

[Nackattack]

Any Idea what the spring rate of Skunk2 coilvers are??? I know they are not nearly that high!

[Nackattack]

Originally Posted by Nackattack

Any Idea what the spring rate of Skunk2 coilvers are??? I know they are not nearly that high!

Oh neverind, just found this..."If you want stiffer springs, the 94+ teg coils will fit on a 92-95 civic. The Skun2 teg ones have a 550lbs/inch front rate and 450 rear. "

Are these pretty stiff though? I don't know what is stiff and what isn't!

[SilverY2KCivic]

Originally Posted by Nackattack

Oh neverind, just found this..."If you want stiffer springs, the 94+ teg coils will fit on a 92-95 civic. The Skun2 teg ones have a 550lbs/inch front rate and 450 rear. "

Are these pretty stiff though? I don't know what is stiff and what isn't!

For Civics the Skunk2's are 500lbs front and 400lbs rear. How stiff? Ehough the start rattling everything in your car after a couple months, and possibly make your back all sore. That's 9kg front and 7kg rear in metric terms. My Teins are currently 559lbs (10kg) front and 336lbs (6kg) rear. At the stiffest dampening setting, they are painfully stiff.

[Nackattack]

Originally Posted by SilverY2KCivic

For Civics the Skunk2's are 500lbs front and 400lbs rear. How stiff? Ehough the start rattling everything in your car after a couple months, and possibly make your back all sore. That's 9kg front and 7kg rear in metric terms. My Teins are currently 559lbs (10kg) front and 336lbs (6kg) rear. At the stiffest dampening setting, they are painfully stiff.

Great, So I guess it is about time to start tieing everything down . Will my Koni reds be able to hand such a stiff spring...will I have to get them revalved later on down the road???

[SilverY2KCivic]

Originally Posted by Nackattack

Great, So I guess it is about time to start tieing everything down . Will my Koni reds be able to hand such a stiff spring...will I have to get them revalved later on down the road???

Only way to find out is to call up Koni directly. I'm not sure if they are valved similar to the Yellows or not.

[eckoman_pdx]

The information on spring ratesthat follows is directly from Skunk2 themselves (Skunk2, 951-808-9888).

Skunk2 Civic coils have rates of 450lb/inch front and 350 rear, a little less than the 500/400 stated. 94+ Teg coils have 550lbs front and 450 rear.

Now Gorund Controls come with I believe around 380/280 as standard rates, though you can request CUSTOM spring rates and spring lengths for the coilovers. SO you should be able to specify a softer rate as well as a stiffer one, whichever you desire. Unlike Ground Control, Skunk2 DOES NOT offer custom spring rates. Either way, standard civic GC"s are a little softer than standard civic skunks, PLUS they have a lifetime warretny to the origanal purchaser versus a 90 day warrenty like Skunk2.

On a side note, I suppose "too sift" is all relative. I drove around riding on bumpstops for 2+ years back in the day (BIG no no, I forget to cut them down). That is very stiff, regardless of rates, since the bumpstop prevents further comperesion. Now in retrospect, my current proper set-up of Nuespeed Spec SP3 Koni Yellows and Custom Rates ground cotnrols may SOUND stiff (550 front, 450 rear thats 10kg front and 8kg rear in metric terms). However, I find it perfectly fine and plesantly comfortable, despite the fact I suspect most people would disagree. After riding bumpstops that long many years ago, these rates are a breeeze!!!! In fact, I wish I had gone a little stiffer, LOL. Of curse, my shocks can handle it, so I'm all good in that aspect.

Here are some manufacturer numbers you can call.

Skunk2 951-808-9888

Ground Control 530-677-8600

[Kven]

Originally Posted by eckoman_pdx

On a side note, I suppose "too sift" is all relative. I drove around riding on bumpstops for 2+ years back in the day (BIG no no, I forget to cut them down). That is very stiff, regardless of rates, since the bumpstop prevents further comperesion. Now in retrospect, my current proper set-up of Nuespeed Spec SP3 Koni Yellows and Custom Rates ground cotnrols may SOUND stiff (550 front, 450 rear thats 10kg front and 8kg rear in metric terms). However, I find it perfectly fine and plesantly comfortable, despite the fact I suspect most people would disagree. After riding bumpstops that long many years ago, these rates are a breeeze!!!! In fact, I wish I had gone a little stiffer, LOL. Of curse, my shocks can handle it, so I'm all good in that aspect.

I think the japs consider that soft too, since they use higher spring rates for their Touge race cars in the Hondas(i remember the Spoon eg using something like 16k/14s and some of the DC2s going 20k/16k). the touge "courses" are pretty much just any strip in the mountains so theres lots of bumps and stuff.