Capacitor war...

[CBFryman]

hmmmm....the i dont think some grasp how an altnator works....it is a spinning magnet inside a stationary conductor feild....the speed of the altinator is 100% dependant upon engine speed.
lets say the altinator is rotation at 800RPM and all it has to do is keep the engine running...lets say that takes 30a...it is a 200a altinator...now lets add in electrical assesories and say they draw 20a...now we have one big amp....at most it will draw 150a....so we have a consnant of 50a and a maximum draw peak of 200a....assumeing the battery is charged.
beause everything in a cars electical system is wired in parallel when you add an extra load the resistance goes down....when an amp is producing a small signal the resistane of the power supply is high...when more power is needed the resistance drops...this will allow the altinator to flow more electrons.... the altinator is still spinning at 800RPM the only thing that changes is the oposition to turning...meaning it will put a slightly larger load on the enigine.... not the altinator...the altinator just changes mechanical energy into electro magnetic energy...it doesnt have to do any more work because it isnt the one producing the power...the engine is.
the ONLY thing a capasitor will do is smooth out the electrical needs from the altinator....keeping the resistance changes less sudden, but no matter what the energy will be restored. capasitors will help slightly to save regulators, yes, but not altinators...

[GSteg]

Originally Posted by notladstyle@yahoo.

I types a long description of how caps slow the demand down allowing more time to charge and then i realized that you obviously know nothing beyond big battery big wires big fuses huh?

i'd be more than willing to read your description if you don't mind.

[notladstyle@yahoo.]

Originally Posted by CBFryman

hmmmm....the i dont think some grasp how an altnator works....it is a spinning magnet inside a stationary conductor feild....the speed of the altinator is 100% dependant upon engine speed.
lets say the altinator is rotation at 800RPM and all it has to do is keep the engine running...lets say that takes 30a...it is a 200a altinator...now lets add in electrical assesories and say they draw 20a...now we have one big amp....at most it will draw 150a....so we have a consnant of 50a and a maximum draw peak of 200a....assumeing the battery is charged.
beause everything in a cars electical system is wired in parallel when you add an extra load the resistance goes down....when an amp is producing a small signal the resistane of the power supply is high...when more power is needed the resistance drops...this will allow the altinator to flow more electrons.... the altinator is still spinning at 800RPM the only thing that changes is the oposition to turning...meaning it will put a slightly larger load on the enigine.... not the altinator...the altinator just changes mechanical energy into electro magnetic energy...it doesnt have to do any more work because it isnt the one producing the power...the engine is.
the ONLY thing a capasitor will do is smooth out the electrical needs from the altinator....keeping the resistance changes less sudden, but no matter what the energy will be restored. capasitors will help slightly to save regulators, yes, but not altinators...

go disconnect the little plug from the back of your alternator and drive your car for a few miles.

[ngsm13]

Originally Posted by notladstyle@yahoo.

go disconnect the little plug from the back of your alternator and drive your car for a few miles.

You're a complete moron, period.

NG

[notladstyle@yahoo.]

Originally Posted by ngsm13

You're a complete moron, period.

NG

ever done it? it tells the alternator to shut off =(

[CBFryman]

Originally Posted by notladstyle@yahoo.

go disconnect the little plug from the back of your alternator and drive your car for a few miles.

all disconecting the harnes from your internal regulator does is drain your battery, what the hell is that going to prove? the altinator will STILL turn, but the regulator wont let it flow any current because the regulator will be OFF. wow. what, with out the altinator supplying any power at all the battery must supply the electricity and, oh look, the battery can only last so long... which is why when an altinator does go bad you volatage will drop somewhere in the high 12's low 13's instead of its usual charing voltage and then slowly drop untill your battery dies, along with your cars engine.

i really dont understand the point you where trying to make.

[GSteg]

here is an idea


fully charge 100 40farad capacitors. load em onto a trailer and connect all those capacitors to your engine. whala! no need for alternator!!!

[CBFryman]

ummmm, ya....40 farad capasitors are HUGE... ive only seen one....we used to play with 15 farad caps... one of my teachers had one, we would charge it with one of the vendagraph generators or w/e which is like 50,000v then throw it at someone and tell them to catch it....talk about the most painful but least deadly shock of your life...

[notladstyle@yahoo.]

Originally Posted by CBFryman

all disconecting the harnes from your internal regulator does is drain your battery, what the hell is that going to prove? the altinator will STILL turn, but the regulator wont let it flow any current because the regulator will be OFF. wow. what, with out the altinator supplying any power at all the battery must supply the electricity and, oh look, the battery can only last so long... which is why when an altinator does go bad you volatage will drop somewhere in the high 12's low 13's instead of its usual charing voltage and then slowly drop untill your battery dies, along with your cars engine.

i really dont understand the point you where trying to make.

someone stated that the alternator produces a fixed aount of power based on rpm, I was simply stating that the alternator will produce NO power unless its told to, no matter how fast its spinning. I wasnt arguing anything else, which is why you have no reason to be an ass*edit* not you, the guy who called me a moron.

[CBFryman]

ngsm13 can be an ass, because he thinks everyone should be all knowing like he thinks he is...but he does know his stuff, and like i said, all disconecting the harness will do is shut off the regulator, the altintor is still flowing electricity to the point of the regulator, but no further....the shaft of the altinator is fixed to the pulley which is always going to turn as long as the engine is running. and as long as a magnetic feild is moving through a conductor feild electricity will be produced... how it is distributed is what the regulator is for....if it isnt even working electricity wont be distributed at all... or in the opposite case, if it isnt working properly voltage and current flow may go out of the altinaotors range for too long causing the conductor to burn....

[ngsm13]

Originally Posted by CBFryman

ngsm13 can be an ass, because he thinks everyone should be all knowing like he thinks he is...but he does know his stuff, and like i said, all disconecting the harness will do is shut off the regulator, the altintor is still flowing electricity to the point of the regulator, but no further....the shaft of the altinator is fixed to the pulley which is always going to turn as long as the engine is running. and as long as a magnetic feild is moving through a conductor feild electricity will be produced... how it is distributed is what the regulator is for....if it isnt even working electricity wont be distributed at all... or in the opposite case, if it isnt working properly voltage and current flow may go out of the altinaotors range for too long causing the conductor to burn....

Important part bolded, your first sentence is VERY humurous as well. A 15 year old lecturing me on what I "think" I know...

NG

PS: MAYBE someday you'll mature enough to realize you DIDN'T know much when you were younger...you've got plenty to EXPERIENCE...
PPS: And I still enjoy learning as well...

[CBFryman]

i know i dontk now everything....but to anyone who hasnt ventured into the world of good audio...you bash and call them morons....as you have me....i will still learn, as a matter of fact i am trying to learn about bass horns and TL, ive only dabbled in TL, or as much as i can....once i get into a better financial situation id like to build my own version of this http://www.powered4sound.com/media.html

though i beleive that vid with the TL and the 2 6 1/2's in the little hatch is total BS... id liek to play with 6.5's and true bass horns to see what sort of responce i could get, id also like to try and design an horn type enclosure that utilizes BOTH sides of the cone....making it twice as efficent, but that is far after Physics and maybe after a few Acoustics classes in college....

[ngsm13]

Originally Posted by CBFryman

i know i dontk now everything....but to anyone who hasnt ventured into the world of good audio...you bash and call them morons....as you have me....i will still learn, as a matter of fact i am trying to learn about bass horns and TL, ive only dabbled in TL, or as much as i can....once i get into a better financial situation id like to build my own version of this http://www.powered4sound.com/media.html

though i beleive that vid with the TL and the 2 6 1/2's in the little hatch is total BS... id liek to play with 6.5's and true bass horns to see what sort of responce i could get, id also like to try and design an horn type enclosure that utilizes BOTH sides of the cone....making it twice as efficent, but that is far after Physics and maybe after a few Acoustics classes in college....

No, I only call people that THINK they are correct morons. I do this because most times they ARE NOT correct, or they are too full of themselves to realize they are either not entirely correct...and are just totally fucking wrong.

I also am VERY picky about people who are regurgitators, and theat haven't necessarily experienced all the shit they say they do...OR who just pass shit off they've read as their's.

Those are just a FEW things...

NG

[notladstyle@yahoo.]

I don't kno about your rice mobiles, but my alternator has a 4ga directly connected to the battery, and if the regulator isnt connected to the alt, it produces very little to no current

And ngsm would be an awesome person to learn from if he wasnt an ass.

[PaulD]

egos can get in the way of real learning. I don't know ifmost colleges offer classes in acoustics .... I don't think any of the ones around here do.