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[Gohan Ryu]

Originally Posted by sivic02

I wonder how long until this thread gets closed...

I was going to say...

with your post count you know better than posting in these stupid import vs. domestic threads that get started every week by ignorant newbs.

[sivic02]

If you could post that report or a link to one that would be great. I would really be impressed if they took into account every single import and domestic engine and upgraded them with every possible combination of parts because that is the only scientific way to determine that one is better than the other. Just like gravity is a theory because until everything in existance is thrown up and down an infinate number of times it cannt be proved.

[Raz_Kaz]

Originally Posted by Omega_5

i wonder if you actually read the article in the link?
any car can be fast, but if you invest the same amounts for cash in an american vehcile, and an import, the american will ALWAYS be fast in the end. In summary, american vehicles are can more effiently (in terms of money) make power. Any one with a mechanical background knows this.
If you want to argue, i can post an entire anaylitical report on the topic, which was approved for distribution by four technical colleges. The summary of the report had shown that American V8 engines can produce more power per modification per displacement than import I4's can. Why else do you think that domestics are switching back to V8's? (GXP, 300, Bonniville)

One, nobody cares about what you think of imports. Two, nobody likes the import vs domestic threads. Three, this has been discussed to death in almost every section on this site, and what do you know, they were all closed for some strange reason.


Guess what's gonna happen with this one.

[sivic02]

Originally Posted by Gohan Ryu

I was going to say...

with your post count you know better than posting in these stupid import vs. domestic threads that get started every week by ignorant newbs.

I really am trying to stop I promise, Im just so bored and this is the most entertainment I have had all day.

[PWRDbyUNCLEbens]

Originally Posted by Omega_5

But it's still a honda pos

Are you sure you didn't write that? It's funny how most people like you never make any good arguements just opinions. Keep them to yourself.

Originally Posted by Omega_5

Japanese imports are pretending to be something that they aren't -> be fast.
I'm fine with Japanese imports being ecomony, fuel milage, cars. That is their place in society. Deal with it.

WTF?!?!?! pretending to be fast? How can you pretend to be fast? Your either fast or not. A 13 second quartermle is no different in an import then a domestic its still the same amount of time. I think you must have got beaten in a race by an sti or an evo. I can't imagine how mad you'd get in Japan with skylines, silvias, and numerous rx-7's around. I'm not saying imports are the end all sports cars by any means, but you can't deny not that some are quick wether you like them or not.

[PWRDbyUNCLEbens]

sorry repost

[Jet-Lee]

Dude, your changing the subject now, it was import vs domestic, now you're making it "American V8 vs. Import I4". V8 will always own I4, whether the V8 be american or import. A European V8 will spank an American I4.

Please, shut the fuck up already.

[Omega_5]

The report in question was very simple. Many engines were tested, but i will only touch on the two closest. All engines were modified from custom CNC parts, all using the same materials and tolerances. The valve train, Cam shafts, intake track, exhaust system and PCM were all modified. A 9psi turbo was applied to both engines.
The ford V8 produced a final output of 815hp, with a power to displacement ratio of 177hp/L.
The toyota I6 produced a final output of 500hp, with a power to displacement ratio of 167hp/L.
Clearly the ford V8 could accept the power increases put on the engine.

And to add to my point -> how many professional race cars (such as NASCARS and F1) use anything but a V8? There is a reason for that.
and also, imports are said to be better for drifting, but if that is so, why is the GTO leading in the world competition?

[Omega_5]

Originally Posted by PWRDbyUNCLEbens

Are you sure you didn't write that? It's funny how most people like you never make any good arguements just opinions. Keep them to yourself.


WTF?!?!?! pretending to be fast? How can you pretend to be fast? Your either fast or not. A 13 second quartermle is no different in an import then a domestic its still the same amount of time. I think you must have got beaten in a race by an sti or an evo. I can't imagine how mad you'd get in Japan with skylines, silvias, and numerous rx-7's around. I'm not saying imports are the end all sports cars by any means, but you can't deny not that some are quick wether you like them or not.

No, but i know the guy. Good friend of mine.
And i didn't change the topic about anything, the inital article clearly stated that an american engine produces more power per displacement than imports, i have clearly defended my friends article with full truth. Besides that analytical report is extreme proof of that. I'll have to scan it and post it, quite a ricer shoot down. And finally, i don't race sti's or evo's, cuz first i don't race family cars, and second, i don't race imports at all. The sti's and evo's are jokes. Honestly who in their right mind would buy cars that expensive for such a small amount of power? I would rather go buy a Cobra or 'Vette for that price.

also, i stand by the article on the first page which says that there are fast imports such as rx-7 (3rd gen only), skylines, Z's, supras, and vr-4's
Be sure to read the article before posting, i don't like to repeat the topic.

[sivic02]

I want the actual report or a link to it or something call me picky. I promise this is my last post in this topic I have to stop doing this because I know better.

[Omega_5]

Originally Posted by sivic02

I want the actual report or a link to it or something call me picky. I promise this is my last post in this topic I have to stop doing this because I know better.

yeah, it's about time this post is closed
by next week, the report (for the toyota vs ford, the whole thing is too big to copy) will be posted. Look for it!!!!

[Gohan Ryu]

Originally Posted by sivic02

I really am trying to stop I promise, Im just so bored and this is the most entertainment I have had all day.

OK, I'm bored at work, too.

Originally Posted by Omega_5

yeah, it's about time this post is closed
by next week, the report (for the toyota vs ford, the whole thing is too big to copy) will be posted. Look for it!!!!

Another BS "Shop test report" - there have been hundreds of articles written about how imports make more hp per ci than domestics. Also there have been hundreds of articles written about how domestics make more than imports. Just depends on who is doing the testing. It's the same arguement that has been going on for years - way before you got your drivers license last week (because you gotta be 15 or 16 years old, young kids are the only ones dumb enough to post this kind of shit). That's what makes this thread stupid, just like your follow up report that you'll post next week will be equally stupid. No, I don't think I'll "Look for it!!!".

Originally Posted by Omega_5

i don't race sti's or evo's, cuz first i don't race family cars

In your Chevy Beretta? Good thing you dont race sti's or evo's, or even honda si's, for that matter. You'd get smoked.

[uranium235powered]

Originally Posted by Omega_5

Why else do you think that domestics are switching back to V8's? (GXP, 300, Bonniville)

Domestics do that so that they can get their asses kicked by the japanese. Think about it, Japanese cars usually have 4 or 6 cyls, yet they can still whoop on the American's asses. How, you may ask? By using more technically advanced equipment, i.e. Turbos, and stuff.

Every car has its pros and cons....you get what you pay for. Having more cylinders does not necessarily mean that you are the king. Take Mitsubishi's 4G63 for example. It can push 400+ horsepower on a bone stock bottom end and an untouched cylinder head with just a turbo kit upgrade and a few odds and ends.

The Subaru Impreza (bug-eye) has proved to be one of the "best bang for the buck" cars. You could pick up a descent one at about $15,000 and with a few upgrades, run with some of the faster cars. Yet its still a 4cyl with a boxer engine, with the "symmetrical all wheel drive".

I'm not saying that American cars suck, everybody has their own opinion of which cars they like. Any car can be fast, its what you do to it. Just adding a bodykit, carbon fibre hood, an iron board wing and a coffee can exhaust doesn't mean that it can break into 10's for the 1/4.

However, I do admit that lately all the Japanese cars tend to be towards the fuel economy side instead of a street racing machine....while American cars are built more for speed.


But the point of this post is to tell you that not every Japanese car is a ricer, and that with proper tuning, etc....they could turn out the same. If you insist on arguing, think about the legendary RB26DETT engine....inline 6. With a few simple bolt-ons, that engine will be pushing 600+ hp. And if you're really hardcore, theres a few that push over 1,000 hp.


Just...can we have a peace treaty signed for not arguing whether the Import is more superior or that the Domestics are more superior? Very much appreciated :d

[Omega_5]

ok. i guess i do get to have some more fun.
No this is not a BS report, it is a report written by 4 technical colleges. It will be posted up in a week or so. No i didn't just get my license, i am actually a 20 year old engineer technologist, the school i graduated from actually did the test (which is how i have the report). Next, you ricers are naive. Last, imports don't make more hp/L, it is purely design. If the Japanese would pull their heads out of their asses and follow Toyota, they could actually make a decently powered engine. (for those of you scratching your heads, the new supra is rumoured to have either the 4.3L V8 from the Lexus' in it, or the new V10 made jointly by Toyota and Yamaha) You see, Japan is good at making bikes and fuel economy cars, so they should either stick to that, or start making V8's like Toyota. Thats the only way they are going to beat the new wave of american muscle. And for the record, generally a Jap car in stock form WILL NOT beat a new V8 powered GXP or 300 (also in stock form). The only way it will, is if it is a DOHC and charged, which if you strapped those goodies on the V8, would by far kill ALL those rice beaters out there.

And also, some people obviously don't understand what it means to drop the thread, as many of us had agreed upon earlier. If anyone would like to reply, start a new thread.

[-Davo]

Calm down children.