Tein or Omni?

[Kven]

omni's are complete coilovers, but youll still need the front forks(as with most other aftermarket shocks for hondas).

if you are installing a complete coilover, you dont need the spring compressor. the spring compressor is just to seperate the spring from the damper, but if you are replacing the whole shock absorber assembly you wont be needing to remove the spring from the damper.

the Omnipower Street and Sport dampers are the same(just springs are different). the valving is biased towards Sport so it doesnt match as well on the Street coilovers. The reason they dont offer adjustable damping is because they designed it to run perfectly with those springs(with the Sports).

[kingdave123]

so im better off going with the sport set up because the springs are more suited for the strut they are on compared to the street that has less of a spring rate?

[Ace$nyper]

omni has both sleave and full coilovers out
tein has full coils and springs
tein is a laughable rip off imo
I might be selling my custom rated skunk 2s and koni yellows for omni street if i keep my car. Thats how highly a avid autoXer thinks of them.

[Kven]

Originally Posted by kingdave123

so im better off going with the sport set up because the springs are more suited for the strut they are on compared to the street that has less of a spring rate?

if you want it to be comfortable on the street, just get the street. it doesnt handle "bad" or anything, its just that the dampers were valved to work best with the stiffer sport coilovers, for racing. if youre going to do some autocross or road racing, the sports would be good, but also very harsh on the road(due to the stiff springs).

[BlazeD0ut06]

i live in nyc...so potholes r a dime a dozen..but i avoid them now so i'll avoid them once i get the omni's too...
but i think im just gonna get the sport and get it over with...
i dun think the ride will be so much worse than the street setup..
springs rates aren;t really incredibly higher...

[SilverY2KCivic]

Something to look into and the MOST important factor for me in a true full coilover, is it able to be ovehauled? Teins are, in fact I'm going to get my rear ones revalved soon here. I've already upgraded the springs on all 4 to the stiffest that the factory valving on them will handle. I'd look into if Omnis can be revalved/overhauled the way that Teins and other brands can be. Sure Tein is a name, but you're also paying for quality with them as well as other important key features like shock dampening which the $650 Omnis DO NOT have. They are only height adjustable. Also to clear up some false information here, Tein DOES make some very affordable products. Tein Basic kit (there height only adjustable equivallent kit to Omnis) can be had for UNDER $700 if you look and shop around enough. They aren't so expensive in comparison if you KNOW what to look for and where.

[BlazeD0ut06]

well i'm not going with either tein or omni acutally..
i'm getting koni/neuspeed sp3's with ground control sleeves...
i've heard great things about them..the shocks and springs...and they r great for all type of driving...
gettin em next week..can't wait...

[SilverY2KCivic]

Originally Posted by BlazeD0ut06

well i'm not going with either tein or omni acutally..
i'm getting koni/neuspeed sp3's with ground control sleeves...
i've heard great things about them..the shocks and springs...and they r great for all type of driving...
gettin em next week..can't wait...

A good combo I hear, but it's not as good as a true matched spring/shock combo that only true coilovers can offer.

[Kven]

well if it matters, lots of the honda racers like to use Koni Yellows with custom-rate GC coilovers. from what i hear, if you order the Koni's with the GC coilovers direct from GC, theyll revalve it to match the springs(the Koni's are rated to about 400lb but lots of people put 500 or 600lbs, it works but wear increases faster; a revalve would fix this).

btw, what is "shock dampening"? if its what i think it is, i would think all shock absorbers dampen "shock".

[SilverY2KCivic]

Originally Posted by Kven

well if it matters, lots of the honda racers like to use Koni Yellows with custom-rate GC coilovers. from what i hear, if you order the Koni's with the GC coilovers direct from GC, theyll revalve it to match the springs(the Koni's are rated to about 400lb but lots of people put 500 or 600lbs, it works but wear increases faster; a revalve would fix this).

btw, what is "shock dampening"? if its what i think it is, i would think all shock absorbers dampen "shock".

I know some that use that combo as well. Also off the shelf Yellows can actually support up to 600lbs. on the standard valving.

Of course ALL shocks dampen shock, but some allow adjustment of this. For seeming so knowledgeable about this stuff, someone like you should know about adjustable dampening I would think.

[Kven]

the only adjustability i am familiar with is rebound and compression; i was thinking you meant shock as in something like high-frequency vibrations maybe? i dunno(most people just say dampening, i guess that threw me off some how lol)...

the thing about Koni Yellows handling 600lb; Koni recommends only up to 400lbs, although many have run 500 without a problem. They(Lee Grimes of Koni) said that the 600s cause increased wear; resulting in a early rebuild.

btw, im no suspension expert, i just share my knowledge of things ive read(mainly from suspension websites) and experience.

[BullShifter]

Originally Posted by Kven

the only adjustability i am familiar with is rebound and compression; i was thinking you meant shock as in something like high-frequency vibrations maybe?

Bose(the audio company) is actually working something like that.
http://www.bose.com/controller?event...components.jsp

[eckoman_pdx]

SilverY2Kcivic is right on the rates yellows can handle. I have personally called and talked to people at Koni many times myself. I always call the manufacturers myself, talk to them directly and do research before I buy. The Koni techincal and repair department has told me on several occasions, directly, that the Koni Yellows can handle up to 600lbs/inch. I called and asked then several times before I bought my set-up. The Neuspeed spec (SP3) ones have a 20mm shorter shaft, 5 perch adjustability versus 3 and slightly stiffer valving.

Also for Koni Yellows (SP3's) and Custom Rate (550 front 7" springs front, 450 7" springs rear) GC's...Great set-up, I have no complaints...exepct I wish I'd have gone a bit stiffer, somewhere between 600/500 - 650/550). It's a great set-up though. Also, both Koni AND Ground Control offer lifetime warrenties to the orignal purchaser, so SAVE the reciepts (FOr comparison, Tein is a 1 year warrenty and Skunk2 coilovers have a 90 day warrenty)..and Koni's are also re-buildable...also Koni can make the Yellows double adjustable if you so wish (for a fee of course, lol).

[BlazeD0ut06]

yes...precisely why i went with that combo...
gc makes sleeves specifically for koni that'll make it a perfect fit...
so even though it might not be a true coilover...it offers the same type of advantages...
also i didnlt order the custom rate springs although they r the same price..
i think off the shelf the gc sleeves are about 350/300..
and i think that should be more than sufficient for me right now...
it'll be stiff enough..and if not i can always get it redone...

[SilverY2KCivic]

Originally Posted by BlazeD0ut06

yes...precisely why i went with that combo...
gc makes sleeves specifically for koni that'll make it a perfect fit...
so even though it might not be a true coilover...it offers the same type of advantages...
also i didnlt order the custom rate springs although they r the same price..
i think off the shelf the gc sleeves are about 350/300..
and i think that should be more than sufficient for me right now...
it'll be stiff enough..and if not i can always get it redone...

I never said it wasn't a good combo, in fact it is a good combo, I'm just very partial to full coilovers myself after having my Teins for almost 3 years now. I was originally looking at a GC/Koni Yellow combo, but with the Tein only $100-$150 more, the Tein was far more worth it and for a much more comfortable ride too, especially with things that can be added to them such as pillow-ball mounts, and the EDFC unit. Actually off the shelf GC's (unless they started ordering different Eibach springs for them) have spring rates of 380f/280r respectively. Soft to some, still too harsh to others, LOL! That's 6.5kg front/~3kg rear. I'm currently running 10kg front and 6kg rear on my Teins (559lbs/336lbs respectively). I'm contemplating revalving my rears so I can stick the 10kgs back there and put the original 8kgs up front, or I might just leave the 10's up front and go 8kg rear. With an extra set of springs I have, my options are plentyful.