history of me...and a dilemma...(long)

[Genesisfactor]

as per parts, if you need anything, i just met a guy. He works with a junk yard. Usually junks celicas. Will sell it to me for cheap. If you need anything, let me know, and i'll see what i can do. You pay shipping.

[Vip09]

Originally Posted by 91 Celica St

no way a 7th gen gt hits mid 15's

its loking at high 16's at the best, mabe even low 17

they have CRAP for low end, all the hp comes at the top, not to mention they have wide gear ratios.

a 5th gen gt/s will beat a 7th gen gt, seen it happen, lotsa celica racers aroudn here buddy...

look at the specs

5th gen 2800 curb
5sfe
135HP
145 TQ


7th gen 2550 Curb
1zzfe
140 Hp
125 Tq

the 20 pounds oftourqe along wth the extra 5 hp and the fact that the tourqe and hp come ALOT sooner than the 1zzfe make up for the weight difference. Not to mention the 5th gen gear ratios are lot closer than the 7th gen making it more ideal...

and in all that gt/s 5th gens only hit 16 highs, so how can a car that isnt as good be hitting a mid 15? not even possible to dip into 15's stock

You sir, are mis-informed.

1) Its curb weight is 2500lbs. There is no way 20ft-lbs of tq is going to make up for THREE HUNDRED POUNDS!!!

2) There are a handful of people on newcelica.org have gotten mid-high 15's in a stock 7th gen GT 5 speed. The fastest time for a stock GT over there is 15.688 @ 89.9mph.

I'm sick of hearing the torque debate with cars like ours. It's really bad with the 3rd gen Eclipse GT V6 people, 5th gen prelude people.. etc. My car puts out about 115ft. lbs of torque stock. I run a 14.7 stock.. I don't see any stock 3rd gen Eclipse V6's or stock 5th gen Preludes running that stock. People also talk about the RSX Type-S the same way they do my car about the torque. "I have more torque than that car, so I should be able to take it." But the truth is, the Type-S runs dead even with my car stock for stock.. which is faster than the cars with more torque that are in our class.


One of my very good friends drives a '91 Celica GT. He has intake and exhaust. I know how fast they are, we've run our cars several times at the track. He's not a bad driver either.. he pulls consistent 2.2 60's and can shift good.

[Genesisfactor]

guys, c'mon. We can debate all we want on this. I say, let's wait for it to come out on tape. If its not on tape, he can't do it, if it is, he can. Simple as that.

Now, my friend has a 94 eclipse GS. We have a common friend who races a different breed of car and took us for a ride at over hundred on small roads. I got shotgun on that ride;-). Now, is there no way that my 89 GT stock can beat that car stock? How many valves does a GT have? 12 or 16?

[Vip09]

Originally Posted by Genesisfactor

guys, c'mon. We can debate all we want on this. I say, let's wait for it to come out on tape. If its not on tape, he can't do it, if it is, he can. Simple as that.

Now, my friend has a 94 eclipse GS. We have a common friend who races a different breed of car and took us for a ride at over hundred on small roads. I got shotgun on that ride;-). Now, is there no way that my 89 GT stock can beat that car stock? How many valves does a GT have? 12 or 16?

If he has the 1.8L, you should win. If he has the 2.0, he might beat you by a little.. drivers being equal of course.

The 5sfe has 16 valves: 4 per cylinder.. 2 intake, 2 exhaust.

*edit: Forgot you had an '89 GT. 3sfe is also 16valve.

[91 Celica St]

whatever math dosent lie, and yes theres a 300 pound difference, but the simple thing you also over look other than the 20 ft lbs of tourqe and the extra 5 hp is the gear ratios, look at the final drive ratio

gt 7th gen 4.321 final drive

gt 5th gen 4.17 final drive

goto toyotacelicaonline.com look at the gera ratios, 1st 2nd and 3rd are all longer than the 5th gen witch would slow down the 7th, neither car would hit 4rth so basically its all on 3 gears

your also forgeting to realize thata gt has CRAP for low to mid range, al the power is past 6500 anyway, the 5th gen wil have a much staeadyer tourqe curve(as well as come sooner) and steadyer hop curve

the 1zzfe hits peak hp at 6500 rpm, the 5sfe hits it at 5500 rpm, then again the 1zzfe revvs a little higher than the 5sfe

whatever i dont wanna turn this into a bnig as online debate, the facts are pretty simple, even if the 7th gen gt was by some way faster, it still would not run a 15, thats like saying my st ran low 16's stock when it was more like muid 17's

[Vip09]

Originally Posted by 91 Celica St

whatever math dosent lie, and yes theres a 300 pound difference, but the simple thing you also over look other than the 20 ft lbs of tourqe and the extra 5 hp is the gear ratios, look at the final drive ratio

gt 7th gen 4.321 final drive

gt 5th gen 4.17 final drive

goto toyotacelicaonline.com look at the gera ratios, 1st 2nd and 3rd are all longer than the 5th gen witch would slow down the 7th, neither car would hit 4rth so basically its all on 3 gears

your also forgeting to realize thata gt has CRAP for low to mid range, al the power is past 6500 anyway, the 5th gen wil have a much staeadyer tourqe curve(as well as come sooner) and steadyer hop curve

the 1zzfe hits peak hp at 6500 rpm, the 5sfe hits it at 5500 rpm, then again the 1zzfe revvs a little higher than the 5sfe

whatever i dont wanna turn this into a bnig as online debate, the facts are pretty simple, even if the 7th gen gt was by some way faster, it still would not run a 15, thats like saying my st ran low 16's stock when it was more like muid 17's

I'll say this again.. THREE HUNDRED POUNDS. That's a lot of weight for cars that are so close in power.

And yes, the 7th gen GT runs 15's stock whether you think so or not. Mid 15's with intake/exhaust.. some did that with just an intake.

Check out the 1/4 mile time list on newcelica.org when you get a chance.

http://www.newcelica.org/other/tracktimes/page.php

[91 Celica St]

ddue u gotta be kidding, those times dont even say stock or not, plus you kida punked urself on that one, 3/4 the times for gt's are in the mid/ high 16's anyway, i even saw a n/a 14 second gt on there, dude u still havnt proved that a gt can touch 15's, ive been to sears point, ive seen poeple run, when a guy named eli got his turbo kit (now he runs 13's) he was only running low 15's with it at 5 psi of boost on his stock radials...so how can a n/a celica run a mid to high 15? they cant, yoru stie even partially shows that, most the times on that site are 16's anyway, i bet those 15's are with minor mods, when last ran my ST i posted a 16 low, i could aposted that on a site and said it was bone stock too.... prove me, and everyone else on thsi site wrong with 100% correct information not open ended information.

[Genesisfactor]

Originally Posted by Vip09

If he has the 1.8L, you should win. If he has the 2.0, he might beat you by a little.. drivers being equal of course.

The 5sfe has 16 valves: 4 per cylinder.. 2 intake, 2 exhaust.

*edit: Forgot you had an '89 GT. 3sfe is also 16valve.

Thanks for the info. I got the punk a great deal 2.0L ;-). He'll rip me apart. For some reason it takes my car a WHILE to get to 60. After monday, when we had a racer, who does american muscle, take the GS out for a spin, i dont' think i could beat him at all. I'm not kidding, in around a quater mile, starting at around 30 when we powerslide into a turn, we hit 110+ and had enough time to slow down to just under 40 to powerslide into another turn. Yes, i had shot gun, no i don't have it filmed, yes i was a little freaked. It was fun though. I now see why i shoudl have gotten manual. Paid ddirt for my car though...

As per the raging debate, i seriously think filming it should prove it all.

OH. to both of you...i dont' know where you live, but hte racer guy also likes the junk celicas (hates imports) He offered me 200 for the next 89 he gets and is going to teach me how to paint and do bodywork. If you need parts, let m eknow, i'll ask him for you. You guys can pay whatever i get them for plus shipping. I know this doesn't sound like much, but put it this way, remember my altenator trouble? I picked up one for $10.

[91 Celica St]

haha no dis respect vip but thansk for the thread jacking btw

[Vip09]

Originally Posted by 91 Celica St

haha no dis respect vip but thansk for the thread jacking btw

Sorry.. I have a habit of jumping in when I see people spreading false information.

[91 Celica St]

then woudlnt you be high jacking your own threads then? you still havnt shown one ounce of proof a gt ran run 15's STOCK

[90celi-lover]

my gt hits 105 ish and basically just stops acelerating... how in the world can you hit 130 in a st or even a gt for that matter?

[91 Celica St]

okay to stop allthis gay shit ima get that video of me hittn 115 easy in 4rth gear...im jsut guna go spend my $40 and get a firewire and try and post it tonight, if not i swear ill get it by monday...

its easy to hit 115 in my car, a st is actaully not that much slower than a gt stock to stock, im sure with my i/h/e and my tuned ecu i could beat a gt, i smoked a 4rth gen gt EASY with all that stuff ahwile back and raced the same guy about 2 or 3 weeks ago and killed him on the highway

and the reason y ur gt only hits 105 is because it has a governer, my st does not anymore

[Vip09]

Originally Posted by 91 Celica St

okay to stop allthis gay shit ima get that video of me hittn 115 easy in 4rth gear...im jsut guna go spend my $40 and get a firewire and try and post it tonight, if not i swear ill get it by monday...

its easy to hit 115 in my car, a st is actaully not that much slower than a gt stock to stock, im sure with my i/h/e and my tuned ecu i could beat a gt, i smoked a 4rth gen gt EASY with all that stuff ahwile back and raced the same guy about 2 or 3 weeks ago and killed him on the highway

and the reason y ur gt only hits 105 is because it has a governer, my st does not anymore

It wouldn't be too much out of the question to say that your 14 year old car's speedometer might be off.. lol

[blakscorpion21]

my 90 gt-s hits 117 and then stops bc of the gov. i think an st should be able to hit 130 with all the stuff he has on it and the st stock is not even a second slower in the 1/4 mile its only got like 20 less hp but it is also about 150 lbs less than the gt and 250 less than the gt-s.