is there any way to make ur gst spyder faster with out buying any parts?

[96spyderman]

I agree... if I have to try to read what the hell they are trying to say I just go on to something else...

Jake..eclipserst... said it best in one of the stickies ...
" We are adults and should be typing like them, not "yo man u gunna b @ da crib b 4 me homie." Internet slang makes it harder on everyone to read and I know I have passed up on plently of threads because of it!
Hell, just think of all the help he could have given if some of those "we-tar-ds" had just typed out the whole damn word and typed it correctly.. or really any of us that could have helped but decided to just..go to the next.....

[UnrelentingPain3]

wow this post has turned from a question about making horsepower without spending money to a grammar bashing contest

[Shpyder]

Originally Posted by nova1313

No! Absolutely never! ever! sell the spyder!... SO MUCH FUN! ^^ sorry I had to.. I realize that fastness isn't really the spyders key thing unless it's the gst.. But it's still a spyder! They look so nice. *drool*
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Snifff...I LOVE U MAN!!! that was beautiful! snifff.. .. 1 up to the spyderz in the house!!

[2of9]

dude, all you got to do is read my signature, do that and you'll be running nines dude!! lmao...

[Whathits14]

"Here is some of that "knowlodge" . Once again your an idiot. So not only can't you communicate higher than the 2nd grade level, you lack any of the above mentioned "knowlodge". For about $500 in parts my Spyder was consistently pulling on GS-T's"

Ok retard. If you put 500 into a spyder it will pull on a gst, no SHIT SHERLOCK! Take the 1g extra difference from selling the spyder and get a hardtop, then take that 500 your dumping into your car anyways and put a then your car will rape any spyder with 500, 1000 or even 1500. You call "knowlodge" what most poeple call common sense: If you put money into a performance part your car will go faster.

Any money spent on making a spyder faster would be more efficently spent in a gst. A "knowlodgeable" person familiar with even the BASICS of dsm's would know that. Your spyder will never have the potential a gst/x will.

"What the hell good is "knowlodge" when I can't understand what the hell you are saying?? And to be completly honest with you, better grammer makes my car go faster all the time!! I can communicate properly with people therefore, I have a better job than you.....which in turn allows me more disposable income to mod my car."

HAHA jokes on you retard. Im in highschool, and for a 17 year old kid, $20 an hour on the side as a computer techinician is damn good money. If you cant understand basic internet slang, then it really sucks for you doesn't it? Maybe you should learn to understand it, then you will have the added ability to understand what people are talking about when they use slang. Some of the people I commonly chat with on another site, that know more about dsm's than anyone I have incounterd here, use improper slang, but even a monkey could figure out what they hell they are trying to say.
Oh and by the way, since your an uptight prick about checking for spelling and grammar errors, I thought I might show you some hypocracy. The PROPER use of grammar in this sentence is
"I can communicate properly with people, and therefore, I got a better job than you. Which in turn, gives me more disposable income to modify my car." Having a better paying job doens't "allow" you more disposable income. It gives, or provides you with more income, which at your discretion is disposable. Mod is a name for a unconventional or fashonable dress of the 1960's.

Unless you know for a fact that your communication skills landed you a better job than someone else, you shouldent say it. Also, you put two "??" and "!!"at the ends of your sentences. One of either, is proper grammar. I hope for your sake, your job does not require the use of proper grammar. Or an extended knowlodge about DSM's for that matter, because you proved to everyone that you don't your shit. If you are going to be anal about grammar usage, make sure you get it right before you go and hound on someone else about theirs.


Also, a "knowlodgeable" person, such as yourself would know that it would be more benificial to replace the stock exhaust before you add in a larger DP; the stock exhaust will strangle the extra airflow coming out of your larger DP, creating more backpressure. Hrmmm....whos smart now? And you should know it is almost completly useless to raise the boost on a t-25; anything past 14psi and the gases are too hot out of the compressor and often times actually decreases performance.

Why should I put my car in my signature? Nothing was mentioned about my car, and it wouldent change anything, much less the fact that my car would rape yours any day of the week. So it really doesn't matter, does it?

Oh and totally off subject, the guitarist in shadows fall is damn good.

[spyderturbo007]

Originally Posted by Assclown14

Take the 1g extra difference from selling the spyder and get a hardtop, then take that 500 your dumping into your car anyways and put a then your car will rape any spyder with 500, 1000 or even 1500.

I bought the car because it was a convertible, assclown.

Originally Posted by Assclown14

HAHA jokes on you retard. Im in highschool, and for a 17 year old kid, $20 an hour on the side as a computer techinician is damn good money.

That's weird. At the beginning of the thread you started on 4/2/05 you mentioned that you didn't have a job?

LINK: http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbul...d.php?t=389685

Originally Posted by Assclown14

Ok, so I don't have a job and money is hard to come by and when it does, it goes into my car.

Another internet moron making things up when it's convenient.

Originally Posted by Assclown14

If you cant understand basic internet slang, then it really sucks for you doesn't it? Maybe you should learn to understand it, then you will have the added ability to understand what people are talking about when they use slang.

What the hell would I want to learn internet slang for? I didn't feel the need to learn ebonics either. Internet slang is for uneducated individuals, people I don't feel the need to associate with.

Originally Posted by Assclown14

Mod is a name for a unconventional or fashonable dress of the 1960's.

And I'm sure you know that because you own one.

Originally Posted by Assclown14

I hope for your sake, your job does not require the use of proper grammar.

Actually, I'm a metallurgy chemist, so no it doesn't. Also, there is a difference between using two question marks and internet slang.

Originally Posted by Assclown14

Also, a "knowlodgeable" person, such as yourself would know that it would be more benificial to replace the stock exhaust before you add in a larger DP;

Some people don't enjoy the loud obnoxious sound of an aftermarket exhaust. Also, thanks for mocking yourself, as you were the genius to invent the word knowlodgeable.

Originally Posted by Assclown14

anything past 14psi and the gases are too hot out of the compressor and often times actually decreases performance.

Actually, the consensus in this forum is 15 - 16psi. So you might want to do some more reading

Originally Posted by Assclown14

Why should I put my car in my signature?

Because it's a rule!

Read this if you don't understand.

http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbul...d.php?t=211345

It's the all capital letter thing in bold at the top, moron.

Originally Posted by Assclown14

much less the fact that my car would rape yours any day of the week.

Wow, great, I'm very happy for you. What do you want a cookie or something?


Oh, by the way who wrote your last post for you. Looking at your original post and comparing it to the last, it looks like you enlisted some assistance.

[Shpyder]

Originally Posted by Whathits14

Take the 1g extra difference from selling the spyder and get a hardtop, then take that 500 your dumping into your car anyways and put a then your car will rape any spyder with 500, 1000 or even 1500.

That's the biggest load of horseshit Ive heard in quite a while...thanks for reminding me that some homo sapiens have still a while to go before they catch up to their primate cousins in terms of cranial matter.

The Spyder may weigh more that a coupe...but modding both to the same degree, no person can actually tell the difference in performance between a modded spyder or coupe at the same level of modifications. THEORETICALLY, spyders are slower because they weight more. But then again, THEORETICALLY, you *should* be smarter than the average chimp...so you see, real life scenerios differ...quite unfortunately for you though, my condolences to the family tree.

Originally Posted by Whathits14

And you should know it is almost completly useless to raise the boost on a t-25; anything past 14psi and the gases are too hot out of the compressor and often times actually decreases performance.

uh...NO. With an MBC set at 17 psi for over 2 months and an FMIC amongst other things, I was going nuts on the road. Yes, I did end up blowing my t-25 (THAT part wasnt cool, its on here on the forums), but my car wouldve whupped the pants of most cars on the asphalt. I know this, because I actually WAS running 14 psi before I turned up the boost and destroyed that snail.

This forum isnt, or atleast, shouldnt, be a tool for people think theyre the shit because they can use "ball bearings" and "boost" in a sentence. And I would think twice before I clown some of the senior members here; theyve been modded DSMs since before you grew your first and only brain cell...

[nova1313]

Originally Posted by spyderturbo007

I bought the car because it was a convertible, assclown.

Way to be I'm very happy with mine..

[Whathits14]

No i dont have a job fucktard! Its on the side eg. someone needs help with their computer and i go help and they pay me. So i don't really "have" a job, but work on the side.

"The Spyder may weigh more that a coupe...but modding both to the same degree, no person can actually tell the difference in performance between a modded spyder or coupe at the same level of modifications. THEORETICALLY, spyders are slower because they weight more. But then again, THEORETICALLY, you *should* be smarter than the average chimp...so you see, real life scenerios differ...quite unfortunately for you though, my condolences to the family tree."

That just proves how ignorant you really are. The convertable has much worse aerodynamics, and will NEVER have the potential of an eclipse. Even if you had the exact same mods as a hardtop, you would still be a slower car. YOU won't be able to notice it because your car is lame and isn't fast at all. I don't really care if you bought the car b/c it is convertable, you said that is is horseshit that a hardtop performs better than a spyder. This of course is not true and will never be true. Convertables have substantially worse aerodynamics. The spyder is heaver, but also a LOT slower than a stock GST. You couldent be farther from the truth in saying you wouldent tell the differnce. Ill make you a deal, Ill take off all my shit, match yours and we will see whos is faster. THEORETICALLY the spyder is slower. Well that THEORY is correct and has been proven. NO convertable will ever be as fast as its hardtop counterpart. The spyder does not weigh a huge amount more, and it is a lot slower, not just 1/5 of a second off. Go and take high school physics again.


"uh...NO. With an MBC set at 17 psi for over 2 months and an FMIC amongst other things, I was going nuts on the road. Yes, I did end up blowing my t-25 (THAT part wasnt cool, its on here on the forums), but my car wouldve whupped the pants of most cars on the asphalt. I know this, because I actually WAS running 14 psi before I turned up the boost and destroyed that snail."

Your turbo doesn't even flow enough air to use a FMIC!!! You might think you are going "nuts" on the road, but in fact you probably *lost* performance with the front mount; your gases were too hot and they slowed down a lot going through the intercooler that was designed for a turbo that flows more. You had a FMIC that wan't made to flow small amonts of air, and in turn was most likely LESS efficent than the stock sidemount. The only squeeze room you would have with that thing would be you wouldent heat sink it like the side mount. What do you call "going nuts"? You certainly couldent take out a mustang, camaro or even a gsx with light mods. Running 17psi on your stock turbo just proves the fact that you dont' know shit.

"no person can actually tell the difference in performance between a modded spyder or coupe at the same level of modifications" This has to be one of the stupidest comments I have ever heard. Seriously, know what the hell you are talking about when you say it. Unless you have seen a spyder with the exact same shit in a gst with same mileage, year blah blah and the spyder with the same driver ran the same times, don't say shit. Oh, and you won't ever find this, because it NEVER happens!

"Another internet moron making things up when it's convenient. "
ummm? what? making up things? what that i dont earn a huge amount of money? I dont have any rent or shit to pay, so i can put eveything into my car. My WHOLE setup for my car, all the mods listed, cost me less than a g.

"What the hell would I want to learn internet slang for? I didn't feel the need to learn ebonics either. Internet slang is for uneducated individuals, people I don't feel the need to associate with."

These "uneducated" individuals you speak of know a lot more about dsm's than you do. They know that a spyder is slower than its equally modded counterpart fucktard!"

And I'm sure you know that because you own one.

Yes, I am a dress. Great comeback.

The concensus is 15-16. That is past 14 smart one.

"Oh, by the way who wrote your last post for you. Looking at your original post and comparing it to the last, it looks like you enlisted some assistance."

Well, I didn't anticipate someone like yourself an educated person wouldent know these basic facts about dsm's. I was definitly more "motivated" in my reply.

[spyderturbo007]

Originally Posted by Assclown14

The convertable has much worse aerodynamics, and will NEVER have the potential of an eclipse.

The Spyder IS an Eclipse

Originally Posted by Assclown14

Convertables have substantially worse aerodynamics.

As far as aerodynamics are concerned, the only difference is the slightly higher friction coefficient caused by the top.

Did you think I was driving a pickup truck or something?

Originally Posted by Assclown14

YOU won't be able to notice it because your car is lame and isn't fast at all.

Did you know that the GST Spyders and the GST hardtops have THE SAME MOTOR? I guess that 300 or so extra pounds makes my car "lame and slow".

Originally Posted by Assclown14

I don't really care if you bought the car b/c it is convertable, you said that is is horseshit that a hardtop performs better than a spyder.

You really need to learn to read, among other things. I said that for $500 you can have a Spyder faster than a stock hardtop. Did I ever say that stock for stock, with the same driver, the Spyder would be faster. Um, No. Once again, you show your need for a brain transplant.

Originally Posted by Assclown14

The spyder does not weigh a huge amount more, and it is a lot slower, not just 1/5 of a second off. Go and take high school physics again.

I'm going to cover this one for Shpyder (Sorry Shpyder).

I've already completed my Physics minor. So don't feel like you will loose me when you enlighten me as to the mathmatical proof behind your interpretation of Newtonian Physics.

Originally Posted by Assclown14

Mod is a name for a unconventional or fashonable dress of the 1960's.

Originally Posted by Spyderturbo007

And I'm sure you know that because you own one.

Originally Posted by Assclown14

Yes, I am a dress. Great comeback.

Once again, learn to read. I said OWN not ARE. Proving that your gayness is only surpassed by your stupidity.

I'm going to let Shpyder take care of some of the bashing in your last post that was directed at him.

[Whathits14]

"For about $500 in parts my Spyder was consistently pulling on GS-T's."

Tell me, where in this post does it say that your spyder was pulling on stock GS-T's? NOWHERE! Looks like I'm not the only one who needs to pay more attention to the posts.

Nowhere did I try to lose you in the mathmatics of physics. I assumed that you would not think basic things such as those I talked about included myself having intentions to lose you in the mathmatics. I don't plan to show you the mathmatics behind it, because being a physics major yourself, you already know something that basic. Even before I knew you were a physics major; I wrote that post so that anyone with basic understandings of physics would understand.



As for the "minor" increase in drag, well its not as minor as you make it out to be. Drag increases with your speed. Only fast spyder I ever saw was a AWD race built one, and it ran considerably slower times than what a hardtop with that setup would.

"Did you know that the GST Spyders and the GST hardtops have THE SAME MOTOR? I guess that 300 or so extra pounds makes my car "lame and slow". "

Yes, I am totally aware that your car has the same motor. You said that with comparable mods there would be no noticible difference. Even if you had the same mods, drag would slow you down, as well as the fact that you already had to make up for the time difference between the cars in stock form. How is a spyder with the same mods as a gst supposed to make more power than the gst? The spyder doesnt get magically faster with the same mods. It still has lost time to make up. Think before you speak about things you aren't well educated on.

As for senior members modifying dsm's before I grew my, "only braincell" it turns out that DSM's werent manufactured until 89. A "senior" member of the post would be able to calculate the fact that I was alive in 89. duhhhhh! 2005-17= 88 Thats the only math equation I plan on using to prove anything...hopefully you can grasp it.

Oh and homophobia? Damn, thats pretty fucked up...never will understand it, but I'm sure you have some standpoint based on ignorance, or some sort of religious standpoint against gays, but its definitly bullshit.

As for the "useless running over 14psi" I feel I should revise it. It is useless to run over 14psi without risking engine/turbo damage. You found that out the hard way.

"Some people don't enjoy the loud obnoxious sound of an aftermarket exhaust. Also, thanks for mocking yourself, as you were the genius to invent the word knowlodgeable. "

Well then why put a DP in? Do you enjoy throwing away money to make your engine more stressed? Why not get a part that will benifit your car? Oh and I really dont give a rats ass that I spelled a word wrong.

[spyderturbo007]

Please do not reply to this post unless you are providing PROOF that what I will be posting below is incorrect. I am going to prove to you that you are WRONG. The difference in drag between the Spyder and hardtop is virtually noexistent.

Variable Definitions:

Ad = Aerodynamic drag (N)
C = Drag Coefficient (unitless)
p = Density of air at STP (Kg/(m^2))
a = Contact area of vehicle to air (m^2)
v = Velocity (m/s)
F = Force (N)
P = Power (hp)

Rules regarding vehicle tests:

1.)The driver of both vehicles has the same mass.
2.)The air density both vehicles are traveling through is the same calculated at STP.
3.)The frontal contact area (a) for both vehicles is the same (assume
1 m^2) and can be removed from the calculation.
4.)Both vehicles are traveling with a velocity of 60mph = 26.82m/s

Aerodynamic drag equation:

Ad = (C*p*a*v^2)/2

p @ STP = 1.2 kg/(m^2)

C for the Hardtop = 0.29

C for the Spyder = 0.33

Hardtop Calculation:

Ad(h) = (0.29*(1.2kg/m^2)(26.82m/s)^2)/2

Ad(h) = 125(kg*m)/s^2 = 125.2 N

Convertible Calculation:

Ad(c) = (0.33*(1.2kg/m^2)(26.82m/s)^2)/2

Ad(c) = 142.4 N


We now have the force (F) for each vehicle based ONLY on Aerodynamic drag (Ad). Let's convert this to something useful like hp

P = F*v

Hardtop Calculation:

P(h) = (125.2 N) * (26.82 m/s) = 3.3579 Kw

3.3579 Kw = 4.50hp

So the total Aerodynamic drag on the Hardtop is 4.50 hp.

Convertable Calculation:

P(c) = (142.42 N) * (26.82 m/s) = 3.82 Kw

3.82 Kw = 5.12 hp

Power difference base EXCLUSIVELY on Aerodynamic drag beween the Spyder and the hardtop:

0.62 hp

The only thing that could alter the above calculation is the assumption of the frontal contact area for the Eclipse, as the information is not available. Even if we assume a frontal contact area of 2 m^2 that would increase the power difference to 1.24 hp which is still virtually nonexistent.

Originally Posted by Assclown14

That just proves how ignorant you really are. The convertable has much worse aerodynamics

So as you can clearly see, I am required to raise the power output of my Spyder by 0.62 hp to overcome these horrible aerodynamics. Wow!! That will take weeks.

So, once again please do not post in this thread anymore. You have been proven COMPLETELY wrong and unless you are prepaired to prove your statement than I think you should just accept defeat, apologize to myself and Shpyder and move on.

[Whathits14]

THAT is at a constant speed. Since you will be accelerating throught the entire powerband, you will need to include the time difference lost throught the whole powerband, so the drag is not a huge amount differnt, you got me there, but the fact that you will have to make up for the time loss throught the differnt speeds. It will not stay constantly at .63horsepower as you get faster, it gets larger, and vice versa. You will have to calculate the time differnce lost every second at every change in speed, which is what kills the spyder in the long run. No, horsepower difference for both cars going 60 mph throught the 1/4 will not be a huge amount off, but from a start, the times will show the real differnce. This is why the spyder is slower in the quarter. I admidt you got me on the aerodynamics part, but you have to take in account all the factors of the cars speed versus time. At a given point in time, with the speeds equal, no you won't have to raise the horsepower much to overcome the aerodynamics.

Also, your calculations did not take in accout the spyder weight differences. Also, your equations are assuming that the contact area of the vehicles are the same, but the spyder has slightly more than the gst.

I am not saying you don't know your shit, but you have left out some essential data to the solution to the problem. Your calculations are fine for the experiment you proposed, but the experiment only gives an answer to one point in time.

As far as this post goes, I am getting sick; we both seem to know a lot about dsm's, and each of us has some knowlodge the other doesnt. I will leave it at that, or we will just go round and round as I can tell we are both exceedingly stubborn people. If you still have the desire to hound on me, by all means go ahead...thats up to you. Trash my name, call me gay and stupid all you want...I'm done with this post.

[spyderturbo007]

Originally Posted by Whathits14

Since you will be accelerating throught the entire powerband, you will need to include the time difference lost throught the whole powerband

Aerodynamic drag varies with the square of velocity. So you are correct that it will not stay constant at 0.62 hp. But, at speeds lower than 60 mph I will need less than 0.62 hp. So to negate ALL effects of aerodynamic drag from 0 - 60 mph, I will only need a total increase of 0.62 hp. Drag does not compound with acceleration.

Originally Posted by Whathits14

Also, your calculations did not take in accout the spyder weight differences.

Aerodynamic drag is independant of mass.

I use the term mass because weight implies force due to gravity. Whereas mass is used to describe the force required to accelerate an object.

Originally Posted by Whathits14

Also, your equations are assuming that the contact area of the vehicles are the same, but the spyder has slightly more than the gst.

As I mentioned before, the information regarding area of contact is not available. There can be little if any difference between the Spyder and the Hardtop. Even if there is a slight difference it would become negligable within the equation.

[RSLaser]

Hey this gets talked about all the time...just dont respond to their post if you cant read it or dont wanna translate it.