05 GT Who's idea was this?

[TheStang00]

whats with the new sig?

[Ron68]

Originally Posted by eillob

I went on stang cruise Sunday, one of the guys there had an 05 GT and I learned something about this car I really don't like.

There is no throttle cable linkage on this car. Im sure some of you know this already but I didn't. Theres a sensor connected to the gas pedal that tells the sensor at the throttle body to advance as you mash the gas.

Don't dig that at all. What happens 10 years from now when one of those sensors takes a crap?

That technology is what we use in aviation. The latest versions of the Boeing 737 use it to control their engines. There are no cables, pushrods, etc. connecting the throttles to the engine control units. If it's safe and reliable for use in aircraft, then it should be perfectly safe and reliable for use in cars. It's called progress. I'm sure if you drive a new 05 you will get used to the idea.

[eillob]

Progress huh, well only time will tell. Just looks like something else to go bad to me. I guess what really puts a bad taste in my mouth about the whole thing is this. I went to the dealership the other day to get a couple of misc engine bolts for my car. Now my car is a 94, the dealer told me that ford is nolonger gonna keep parts on any vehicle over 10 yrs old and I needed to find either a salvage yard or someplace online to get my parts.

So you can imagine what was going through my head when I found out about this cable less throttle body.

[Rod&Custom]

Yea, 10 years is pretty much the standard.

[emokid15]

but what happends if the sensors messes up and it keeps accelerating the car?? it wont stop right?? i was just wondering.

[tturnpaw]

Originally Posted by emokid15

but what happends if the sensors messes up and it keeps accelerating the car?? it wont stop right?? i was just wondering.

Well theres an easy answer to that question.....turn the car off. Who cares anyway.....i mean its a mustang.....going fast is a good thing. now if it was stuck at idle id be pissed.

[Ron68]

Ford is gonna do what they're gonna do as far as their throttle design. Hopefully when the time comes and their cableless throttle system reaches it's useful life, the aftermarket producers will have an affordable and easily replaceable part. I just replaced my fuel pump on my 97 Grand Cherokee with an aftermarket pump that was quite a bit cheaper than that which the dealer wanted to charge. It works just the same as the OEM part.

[breaknstuf4fun]

The military has been using that technology for a while, it's reliable.

That technology is what we use in aviation. The latest versions of the Boeing 737 use it to control their engines. There are no cables, pushrods, etc. connecting the throttles to the engine control units. If it's safe and reliable for use in aircraft, then it should be perfectly safe and reliable for use in cars.

Now, i may be a newb, but i think i can safely say this much. in the military, the government usually only wnat the most reliable parts they can find, therefore are willing to spend a few extra grands here and there, so of couse thier cabless throttle body will be extermely reliable, i maen if it's on the hum-vee's (which i'm assumeing you're insenuating) it's going threw all sorts of shit, like river water, and mud, so enough said on that one. Now the airline industry, it's not that they just so happen to want the best, they have to, you can't have a sensor like that bug out on you in the sky, then the industry would done with, so using the new boeing 737, it's a good example, but not good for this situation, and knowing motor companies today, a part that may fail in a few years (lets say two) is another good way for them their dealerships to make money untill the complaints pile in, now i know that's giveing a conspiracy, but another reason for lack of reliability, this is a car company we're talking about. they can afford to spend less money than Boeing and the Government, so that's more reason to believe it may be less reliable. i understand that a sensor maybe a cheap thing for a company like GM or Ford, but sensors are...well sensitive and easy to break as always, so as eillob said, there's no real proof that it's reliable in cars untill it proves it self on the street.

just thought i'll have my say...i'll sit back and wait to be shot down now.

[eillob]

Very good points my thoughts exactly. Sensors go bad plain and simple, its cool now because its new. Won't be cool when the sensor keeps the throttle open after you take your foot off the gas.

[breaknstuf4fun]

wait i said something right....SWEET
ok moment of victory over....

[DetroitMuscle15]

Dampachi i missed you too!!

[eillob]

Originally Posted by DetroitMuscle15

Dampachi i missed you too!!

awwwwww

[benchtest]

The throttle-by-wire set-up is actually well tested and has been around a long time. The power-stroke diesels have used it way back into the 90's.

[spy604]

as for the sensor going bad, id assume it'd give you a CEL if it was going bad, and for that matter, a throttle cable could snap or stuck just as easily as a sensor could go bad

[breaknstuf4fun]

well..alright, with taht taken into acount, and i guess the fact that when ford was designing the '05 mustang they were looking to really hit the enthusiast market, so quality in a few key parrts (suchs as the sensors, and cabeless throttlebody, and etc.) would be taken into acount, don't want to piss off your largest buyers, but, though taht gives me a bit more confidence in it, i woudl still prefer to prove it to me on the street, but the chances of me getting behind an '05 is slim to none, and the only way i'll be able to test the full advantae of it is if i knew enough about programming the ECU. So, i'll just be content with that. It's not my problem (yet...). so i might as well poke it with a stick from a distance and learn what i can before it becomes MY problem.