Will stright pipes guzzle gas?

[J-Ri]

Originally Posted by clampjockey

...the extra emmissions are minimal...

...if you are feeling guilty about hurting the environment, there are other ways to help cut emmissions/save energy.

Have you ever seen, or even heard, of a 4 (or 5) gas analyzer? The extra emmissions are NOT minimal! The hydrocarbon emmissions alone will be thousands of times higher with no cat, unless the engine is in PERFECT tune. Even if it is, HCs will be much higher than with no cat.

I don't think he gives a shit about anyone who isn't him, and apparently you don't either. There are other ways to reduce pollution, but why not do everything you can?

I don't have a cat on my Silverado, but if I did, I'm sure I would start several brush fires. That is why I havn't put one on it. It didn't come from the factory with a cat, and there's really no room for one anyway. I don't drive it very much either. I've got a cat on my daily driver, if it goes out, I will replace it.

[clampjockey]

well, hats off to you j-ri. you're quite an environmentalist. maybe arseholes like myself would install overpriced power robbing mods to our vehicles if we could just get it thru our thick heads to listen to every tree hugging/seal lover we encounter. well, we all now know that i'm a shithead that will not put a cat on his truck, but j-ri, don't get self-righteous unless you yourself are "doing everything you can" . by the sounds of things you have at least 2 vehicles, how about your girlfriend/wife, does she have one? well that's a lot of vehicles to upkeep/put GAS into. how about your house? are you living in a straw hut in the woods w/no electricity/generator? is it solar powered? windmill? how do you heat it? do you have any other recreational vehicles, 4 wheeler, dirtbike, seadoo, motorboat? how about a lawn mower? better go trade it in for some environmentally friendly scissors. maybe you should take that $ you got saved up for goodies for your truck (which likely will help nullify any gas milage you gained by using acetone), and donate it to a charitable organization which will in turn spend 80 cents on every dollar earned buying CATS for those too unfortunate to be able to afford their own.
i'll admit that i'm every bit as much but no more of an asshole than joe blow down the street with the inefficient furnace, or the huge energy wasting house, car that leaks oil/freon.
sorry for ranting. i'm not trying to pick a fight; i find you very knowledgable and helpfull so i hope not to offend you. just trying to make a point.
you'll have to excuse me now while i go save a seal and hug a tree. L8r

[J-Ri]

The last tree I came in contact with was with my front bumper because it was in my way. Not sure about seal, but I don't think it would taste as good as deer. If I seem a bit "extreme" here, it's to counteract the "extreemness" of others. That way, we might just meet in the middle. I maintain my vehicles well, would do a bit better if I had more money. My Silverado is my vehicle for everything other than driving around town. Towing, hauing, offroading (I was out all day today, used 25 gallons of gas, spilled a few quarts of gear oil, lost two running boards, and knocked 4 trees completely down, hit a few others). When I said "do all you can", I meant the bigger things that don't sacrifice your comfort or enjoyment. Will I go without heat, hell no! I'll cut down a forest before I get cold. If I don't go mudding at least once a month, you better put up a big fence, cuz I might just drive down every yard on your street. Is it really so bad if one person cuts the cat off? No. But when 1,000,000 people think that only themself and the guy down the street have cut 'em off, then we'd have a problem. If you can't afford a cat, you may have to end up cutting it off. If you can afford it, even if it means buying a 12 pack rather than going to the bar, do that.

Likewise, I didn't mean to offend either of you. I would, however, like some fresh air for my kids to breathe. If I get going now, maybe I can catch a seal, choke it to death, grill it up, and find out if it tastes anything like swordfish (which is aweful, btw).

[clampjockey]

Quote"Is it really so bad if one person cuts the cat off? No. But when 1,000,000 people think that only themself and the guy down the street have cut 'em off, then we'd have a problem. If you can't afford a cat, you may have to end up cutting it off." Quote
is it really so bad if one person offroads with a gas guzzling , fuel inefficient, oil leaking, large tired swamp buggy? no. but when 1,000,000 + do, then we'd have a problem.
is it really so bad when one person buys electricity from a coal burning, environmentally unfriendly utility company? no. but when....
is it really so bad if a poor bum on the street has a barrel fire to keep warm even though it emits toxic fumes? no. but when a million bums have a million barrel fires...
is it really so bad to mix your colors with your white's? no really is it? i don't know how to do laundry.
i think the both of us could go on quite some time hashing this out, seeing who cares more about saving whatever. i like nature, i fish, hunt, go offroading. a lot of the same things you seem to do. so we don't see eye to eye on me not wanting a cat on my truck; that alone shouldn't write me off as someone with 0 morals.

[J-Ri]

If you figure that mixing colors with whites, let me know... all my clothes are pretty much grey now. I think it might be from throwing everything in together.

I didn't say you have no morals, I was trying to push the both of you to put a cat on. If that can't be done, it can't be done. Not a huge deal. I've got good friends that have cut their cats off. I haven't staged any protests against them or anything.

[mbumgua]

Several of you guys are getting a little testy over the cat issue. When I lived in the Peoples Republik of California I had a 1981 Chevy 1 ton dually with a gas 350 which did not have a cat on it from factory. When I got it it would not pass California emissions-- too high HC level. I asked the test station if it would be permissible to put a cat on it to reduce HC levels. His reply was that it would immediately fail because it was not original equipment and that it did not matter that it would meet all emissions requirements. What I am trying to say is that government does not really care about the environment. I moved very soon after that to Arizona where my truck was fine. It is not illegal for you to take off the cat on your own vehicle as some posters would like you to believe. It is illegal for anyone else to do it for you. I have removed cats from several of my vehicles and realized a gain of from one to three miles per gallon. If you live in an area that does not require annual emissions tests then its a personal decision ; not one that anyone here on the forum should castigate you for making. It does not make you a bad person; It just means that you don't buy into all the government propaganda about global warming etc. (Despite all of Al Gore's hot air the overall global average temp has dropped over the past seven years; and the period from Jan 2007 to now has seen a drop in av. global temp equal to the rise in temp since 1930's)

[maxwedge]

You are dead wrong on the cat issue, this is a federal law, and although it would be virtually impossible to get caught in a non emissions state the federal penalties and guidelines cross all states. Politics aside an engine tuned to run with a cat will suffer without one as will the air, this applies more to tuning used in obd11 cars/trucks, but they are by themselves much cleaner then say a 92. Since this thread is way to old to have continued, I am closing it, but feel free to start a new thread on the subject if you so choose.