Can Someone Knoledgeable Please Back Me Up

[dampachi]

Well you guys seem to have taken everything I've said in a totally wrong way. Savior knows I don't have anything against him. I was just calling it like I saw it. And apparently I saw it wrong. I'll admit that. That all started because I said his car reminded me of a grape push up. I wasn't trying to talk shit. You can't deny it does look like a grape push up. And apparently I pissed him off..then I started bringing things up about his videos. I said it was probably a low 13s/high 12s car. I said I know it will beat my car. Now my friend TatII says it looks like a 12 second car. The 03/04 cobra is also a 12 second car. Now how's he going to claim to rape a car that runs the same 1/4 as he does? I never initially brought up my car VS saviors car. Someone brought my car into it. I never said my car was faster than saviors. But I did inform that one guy that it would have a supercharger on it as soon as I managed another $900. If you want a cobra VS GSX debate..I'm in. But I'm not trying to get banned or anything. So if I'm crossing the line just let me know and I'll never post in this thread/possibly never the eclipse forum again.

[JoeWagon]

I didn't know I understood anything wrong... but I did read all 9 pages of the other thread and you said something to the tune of "I'd like to eat your car" in which he said "you wouldn't eat my car...check out my videos"

As for his car vs. an 03 cobra. For the record the cobra runs high 12's...12.9 is car and driver. 390 flywheel horsepower is a piece of cake for a turbo that is rated at 600awhp. Add AWD traction, I don't see where a 12.9 car beats a 60-1 eclipse.

The only way you'll get in trouble is if you make posts like the other one in this thread. I don't see how your opinion if my car is CHEAP has to do with how fast the cars are.

EDIT>> It's hard to say how fast his car exactly is. Nobody dynos a 60-1 at 16psi, much less any turbo that isn't near maxed out. There are AWD 2g's running low 11's, full weight with 470hp. A member of this site, 95 GSXracer, did 120mph traps on pump gas and a 60-1. 12.9@110 isn't there yet. Most good runs at 120mph are mid 11's. Just putting some thoughts together.

[dampachi]

Okay, the turbo can handle 600hp...but is his car running 600hp? I'm still confused as to what he's actually running. First he said 12s..then it was all the way down to high 10s. I just recall him saying he ran 12s..then him saying he rapes cobras.

Oh yeah..and it went like this:

Me: You know those like..flintstones push ups ice cream things? Your car reminds me of the grape ones. And whenever I look at it I can't stop thinking about eatting one. Mmmmm.

Him: Hey, don't make fun of my purple car. Damn you.

Noctorum: Well he's got a point

Me: haha, I'm not hatin'..I'm just saying..I wouldn't mind eatting a grape push up. And my mustang wouldn't mind eatting a grape eclipse.

Civracer95: Owned-sorry no pic for this one. I'll find one though. L8...

Him: ....... actually this eclipse will kinda destroy your stang. This car eats cars that would destroy you, such as LS1's, Cobras (03's included), 05 Mustang Gts, and M3's (as seen in my video in the other thread. Maybe you should watch it.), Evo's, and Sti's. Sorry, but you won't be satisfying your hunger on this one .

Me: 03 cobras run mid 12s. Time slips please? I saw your videos and your car didn't look like a 12 second car to me.

So, as you can see..that all started because I had to go and say his car reminded me of a pushup..then make a bad joke. Then he started bragging about what his car can destroy..so I asked for proof. So really..I don't think I was doing anything wrong. Then I brought up how I thought that video looked kind of rigged. Which it did, until I realized the camera man was zooming in on the launch. Making it look incredibly weak. And sorry for quoting pretty much the whole first page of that thread.

[scottsee]

fuck it all ready.

[dampachi]

Shit dude...I let it go back in the original thread. But somebody had to get the last word..and then continue talking shit in a new thread. Sounds like some people want this to go on forever.



BTW: If a mod would just go ahead and lock this thread...this could end. Thanks.

[Savior1974]

.... oh my gosh he's still talking about this, I though this was over. Look, I'll break this down for you. Purchased my 1998 Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX for 10,800 dollars. Total amout of money I've spend for my modifications is $5,236.47. Thats a total of about 16,000 dollars total spend on my car (mods and car included) My car is not properly tuned to run over 15 psi. I could run 25+ psi if I was willing to spend a day or two tuning it with DSMLink. But I'm lazy and I still daily drive her. Don't want it daily driven under that pressure. So with my large Garrett turbo (60-1), my tuning at the moment, and my current driver abilities, I am capable of running mid-low 12 sec times. (Not yet 11's or 10s). But without spending anymore money, I could tune that sum bitch, turn up the boost to 25+psi, and turn that 12 sec daily driver car, into an 11 possibly high 10 sec car. Thats why I say my car is 11-10 sec capible.

Now Mustang GT's are decent cars, Hell, I used to have a V6 before I traded it in for this. And I loved it very much. So I'm not really bias against stangs. But, Dollar for dollar, Dsm's have better times for the money spent. Using a little more than your 4000 dollars. I have made a car that can run almost 2 secs faster than you will be running after you pay for your mods, if I really wanted it to.

Also you said reliable 12's. Now when I was looking for mustang information back when I had one, I found out that GT's like to break rears once they get up into 12's and faster........ thats not to reliable if you ask me. Now the only thing unrealiable us DSMer's have is the C word (crankwalk), which not all of us get. Just a select and unlucky few (sorry guys ) Also, the 4G63 has been known to take 500+ hp on Bone Stock Internals. Thats pretty reliable if you ask me.

You also called our cars cheap. Come on now, You actually think that your mustang is put together better than an eclipse? Like I said, I used to own a mustang. And my Girlfriends dad works at Fritts Ford out here in riverside. I see GT's all the time. Abosolutly nothing on a mustang is put together better than on a eclipse. When you buy a mustang Gt, all your paying for is an engine (which is not that impressive compared to other V8's such as an LS1 or even a V6 like the VQ in 350z's), not creature comforts. The seats suck, the Shifter is placed HORRIBLE, pedal placement sucks, And Ford does almost as bad things to plastic as GM.

Look, the whole thing started becuase you said that you wouldn't mind eating me. I was telling you that you couldn't eat me, and telling you why you couldn't. Look man, please lets end this. My car has beat those cars. My car will beat your car. And even after you spend the 4000-5000 (don't forget the price for the slicks you will be needing), I will still beat your car.

[dampachi]

Actually, they'll break axles on the stock motor with just drag radials/4.10s. But as long as they're not catching traction..my rearend is fine. I can spin my way to low 12s. And if I want, I could save up another $800 for 31 spline axles/31 spline differential..$500 tops for some drag radials..and run 11s all day. That's $5300. You spent $5200. Not to mention I overestimated some of the prices. Okay, now you can say my car is more expensive..lower miles, newer car, etc. So your car isn't that much cheaper.

BTW: That would make mine an 11 second daily driver.

[dampachi]

haha..you know..I never brought my car into this. you guys did in the other thread. But once asked about it, of course I unveiled my plans for a supercharger. I admit, calling yours car cheap was a cheap shot.

[scottsee]

look. Tampax, i mean Dampachi. everyone your debating this topic with has experience with the 4g63 through research and wrench time. if you havent noticed were not newbezzz's and agree to dissagree with your comments and bench racing tatics.

we have no were to go, were in our Eclipse forum your going to need to wrap this up sometime becasue we ain't going anywhere.

come on now tampax, your not still upset about what i said are you?

[george536]

just leave already, you lost game over.

[Savior1974]

Originally Posted by dampachi

Actually, they'll break axles on the stock motor with just drag radials/4.10s. But as long as they're not catching traction..my rearend is fine. I can spin my way to low 12s. And if I want, I could save up another $800 for 31 spline axles/31 spline differential..$500 tops for some drag radials..and run 11s all day. That's $5300. You spent $5200. Not to mention I overestimated some of the prices. Okay, now you can say my car is more expensive..lower miles, newer car, etc. So your car isn't that much cheaper.

BTW: That would make mine an 11 second daily driver.

I spent 5200, for a setup that could possibly run 600hp (TO ALL THE WHEELS), if I wanted to turn up the boost and tune it. Also, some of the price I paid (1020.27) was in labor fees because I didn't trust myself with doing that kind of work, so I had a Mitsu mechanic do it for me. And yes calling our cars cheap was pretty bad, considering that you don't own anything like a BMW. Now how about this gets put to rest.

Edit....... Also, 1st gen AWD DSM's have been known to break into 12-11's for only 1800 dollars man. Talk about bang for your buck.

[scottsee]

humm when i price your parts out just from memory i get a little more then $5200 for the parts alone. Good By! ohh and that goes for you too tampax

[dampachi]

Okay, byebye pussy. I mean..scottsee. And I agree, it's over Savior. I'm still cool with you.

[Savior1974]

Ok finally. Good debate everyone, and thanks for the support.

[JoeWagon]

The reason it's gone on is because dampachi keeps saying a few things that aren't true:
1. "I never brought my car into this". Bullshit, you said "I WOULDNT MIND EATING YOUR CAR" aka. my car could beat yours. You started it all, you brought your car vs. his car.
2. "He said he could run 12's then 10's and has 600hp" No, he didn't. OTHER PEOPLE said the turbo was capable of 10's and 600whp. That's true. Nobody said he ran anything but 12's or had any amount of power.

Originally Posted by dampachi

So, as you can see..that all started because I had to go and say his car reminded me of a pushup..then make a bad joke. Then he started bragging about what his car can destroy..so I asked for proof. So really..I don't think I was doing anything wrong. Then I brought up how I thought that video looked kind of rigged. Which it did, until I realized the camera man was zooming in on the launch. Making it look incredibly weak. And sorry for quoting pretty much the whole first page of that thread.

Correction: you talked shit and said your car was faster, then you made people say the video was rigged, then you converted the WHOLE argument into 03 cobra vs. his car.. then once that was defeated, you turned it into "I'm trying to be a good guy and stop arguing, but they won't let it end."

It's over because you can't even remember your initial position, not because you solved the problem.

Originally Posted by dampachi

that would make an 11 second daily driver

No it wouldn't. Running an 11 at the track with drag radials doesn't make you an 11 second car on street tires. It makes you a 12 second tire spinner, just like an 03 cobra