What takes so long with the subbing.

[drftk1d]

Originally Posted by Aerowitz

Equivalent exchange, buddy. That's all I'm going to say.

this is inital d not fma.

[Aerowitz]

I know, but I love FullMetal Alchemist so much I just had to plug it.

Back to the topic at hand. What I'm saying is exactly what was said before. Initial D Fourth Stage is shown on Pay-Per-View, therefore it is illegal to copy it and offer it for free download.

My views on fansubs are the same no matter what the series, save for the few that have no chance of ever coming here or have been butchered with no chance of an uncut version becoming available. Those are the only exceptions.

Thumbs up for FUNimation bringing out unedited 4Kids stuff. Let's hope they give us the first part of Dragonball Z unedited sometime in the future...

Done with this thread.

[drftk1d]

they have DBZ unedited.

[Aerowitz]

Like the episodes before Captain Ginyu? I can't find them anywhere.

[Tony]

Im with who ever said that if it wasn't for fansubs alot of people would not know what most of these anime titles are. I will admit I have watched every episode of Initial D, minus Act 11 of the 4th stage, via fansubs. But I also buy the DVDs to help support it. But its so addicting that I can't wait a year for them to come out with the DVD of the 4th Stage so I can be caught up. Currently I only have the first 3 U.S. DVDs of Initial D because I'm broke. I do plan on buying all of the DVDs though.

Most animes I will download a couple fansubs to see what they are like that way I know I'm not wasting money. The same thing I do for music. I download it to see if I like it or not, if I do I will go out and buy the CD. I have no problem supporting the media, but I do have a problem with wasting money, it doesn't come easy.

[Tomato]

here here

[Sixthgeargod]

I dont know about you guys but to me. I think the industry relies on the subbing of there stuff. If youre going to nitpic about whether some guy pays to see Initial d then copies it and sends it to be seen or even gets paid a nominal fee to do so. Which could only happen once and probably not that much , then I dont want to see anyone in this forum speeding, or hurring up to run through a yellow light. Is it wrong. YES. Is speeding really wrong. YES. but we do it every day. However if we are going to do it just as laylas keeper said before we may as well be responsible for it and just take it off when it gets licenced. Here is a perfect example. When i love something like an anime. I want it. I want to be entertained. Since family guy went off the air i have been relativly bored. However, my friend is a total pirate, he is cool though. he burned me a copy of rurouni kenshin. After i saw the first episode. I WAS TOTALLY HOOKED. just like when he introduced me to initial d. here is the problem. Its all about supply and demand. I wanted to watch more kenshin and initial d. they didnt have the supply.
so i burned and downloaded all the episodes i could to satisfy my lust for action and quality cartoons. Now i like these series so much, that i want to watch them anytime and i want good quality. so the first chance i got i bought the entire collection of Initial d and i have all 3 collectors boxes for Kenshin. I couldnt be happier. yeah some people are just gonna watch then not watch again. and some are going to watch and keep a burnt copy. those will eventually not work in a couple of years. My quallity dvds will. And there are people out there just like me that we just dont want to wait untill they decide to put out the next three friggin episodes and charge you 20 dollars for the dvd. when i can wait and get my moneys worth and just buy a box set. the set is more economical. I dont have the money to blow on a series(kenshin for example) at 20 a dvd for 95 episodes. even if i give them some leeway its 95eps/4eps per dvd=23.75 which we round up to 24dvds now 24dvds*20per dvd=$480 now ive seen the dvds for sale here and they only have 3 per dvd that i saw so for initial d. I like anime but not that much id rather spend it on my car. So if you ask me they are lucky that there are some subfans out there to push there product. Only a total moron would buy one dvd at a time. or has more money then they know what to do. thats why people buy movies anyway to watch them when ever they want and it not be a sucky copy. in the long run a dvd is better because if you keep a copy on your hard drive then unless you go to great measures it will eventually crash or become corrupt, viruses or just need the space. If you keep it on a burnt CD. Its not going to last forever. My piont is does piracy steel money. yeah but so does AOL.
they have been overcharging me forever untill i dumped them. companies do it. ive been apart of it. they get greedy and pump the price up and then bitch when because the price is so high that we are priating and they are losing money. (Now japanese executive man with tiny pe%is cannot afford new sports car and go visit Me so horny, i love you long time. Instead he must buy sports car from last year and visit Me so horny, Ive loved you and alot of others long time.)all because they want to be greedy about it. i had a friend that was in japan for a year and doing that kind of stuff over there is dirt cheap. He bought 100s of manga for really cheap and new. he could easily turn around and sell them there and litterally get a 200% profit. we did the math. you get my piont so its all good. it works out the system isnt perfect but then again in the world of anime look who would run the system. I love and will buy there cars, but there just going to have to take a little loss on the anime with me.

[Layla's Keeper]

I have no issue with fansubs AS LONG AS THEY ARE OF UNLICENSED PRODUCT.

Also, I believe it is important to point out that now there is a precedent for Japanese companies to request that American/English language fansubs be pulled from the net. Not too long ago, Media Factory (producers of such anime as Area 88, Gatekeepers, Rahxephon, and Vandread) asked several large fansub groups to stop fansubs of their properties.

As it is undoubtedly known, most bootleg copies of all media are produced in the Pacific Rim (mostly Hong Kong and Taiwan). What has become a problem is that fansub groups provide a perfect place for these pirates to get their hands on source material for producing their DVD's (as well as opening up a whole secondary market in the States). These bootleg Region 0 DVD's (check through eBay, you'll find a ton of them) are destroying the Japanese DVD market. As such, Japanese production companies are becoming very upset with American fansubbers.

With Media Factory setting the precedent, already rumblings are coming from Production I.G., Madhouse, Gainax, Sunrise (which is wholly owned by Bandai) and many others about how detrimental fansubs are to the industry as a whole.

[xXRyCe_R0CkEtXx]

yea i see this. but again, these fansubs also help them gain money, probably more then they lose. without the fansubs we would still be at the beginning of stage two. It would take soooo long to catch up to fourth stage, and i bet alot of people would become less interested because of the very long wait time. Even if these English fansubbers give them material that they can make dvd's on, if they stopped do you really thing the bootlegging will stop? it won't there will always be someone releasing it to them to make money or just for whatever reasons. It might hurt the Japanese dvd industry, but it's not like that stuff wouldnt happen without these english fansubbings. I have bought 2 dvd's because the fansubs were good enough, but nothing beats dvd quality. I will end up buying a box set later. because like he said, we all dont have that kind of money to go an buy all these dvd's for $20 a dvd. I have spread this to at least 5 of my friends an a couple have bought dvd's also. I think for now, even if it's licensed, the fansubs help the industry more then hurt it. Saying that they are ruining all these things is just because they need something to blame. no matter what there will always be people bootlegging things, it cannot be stopped.