Why there is a racism between white People and Black People?

[Kurtdg19]

Originally Posted by TexasF355F1

Are you trying to say that Chris Rock is racist against white people?

I think your being a bit over analytical. This may not exactly pin the tail on the donkey but I'll say it anyways.

Chris Rock, if anyone has watched him, does use a lot of "black and white" literature for his comedy. Not however, because hes racists, but because it sells! Shit, I laugh hysterically watching some of his stand up and I'm white! (if that means anything).

Anyways IMO a part of what determines whether somebody is judged 'racist' is in what type of environment their upbringing was like. You can grow up in the city, get a good education and have lots of multiracial friends. You can grow up in a type of 'white/black supremacist' environment and not ever know any better what to believe in.

Is anybody following me?

[RickwithaTbird]

I agree Kurt. I love chris rocks shows, and dave chapelles. They're hilarious. But Texas... the point he was making is not that chris rock is racist.

Lets be real, what he said is true. There are scholarships set up just for black people, and if you are white, you can't have them. There are award shows strictly for black actors. Imagine if there was an award show where no black actors could win because it was just for white people. Look at FUBU.. For Us By Us. Meaning, not for white people. What if there were scholarships that were only given to white kids? It would be hell to pay. All the people involved in anything pertaining only to whites would be lynched by the media, and the public. But blacks can do anything they want and exclude white people, and it is accepted. Why is that?

I have had many black friends in my life, hell, almost every race on the planet actually. I love all kinds of people. But I dont think its fair for the blacks to exclude us, and extricate us from their award shows, and scholarships, and tv shows. They fought for the right to be equal just a few decades ago, and now they exclude us. It is hypocritical, and its just flat out wrong. They are getting away with so many things that white people could never even imagine getting away with, and I don't like it.

I think the rules should not allow all that BS. Where do we draw the line? The all black venues and colleges insult me as a white person. Why are they separating themselves from us and getting away with it? That is not equality. Its a problem.

[ASTAutoSales]

i made the same statment here a while back and was banned, it sucked. glad to see support this go around

[YogsVR4]

Originally Posted by RickwithaTbird

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I think the rules should not allow all that BS. Where do we draw the line? The all black venues and colleges insult me as a white person. Why are they separating themselves from us and getting away with it? That is not equality. Its a problem.

That was a big swing and a miss.

Any public funded program has to be color blind. Private organizations can be as open or as restrictive as they want to be - its their money. If there is an award show for one legged - six toed nose pickers, would you say they are being exclusionairy? (btw, that might be a more entertaining award show then the oscars will be).













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[RSX-S777]

White America subjected the black community to unlawful discrimination for a long, long time. Programs were put into place (and rightly so) to remedy the effects of that long standing discrimination. Black people were forced to become self-dependent in lieu of any real government or majority white support for their rights, their families, their communities. This is something many white people cannot and will not understand. Get angry and insulted all you like, it's the result of a system that was severely lacking and still is. A system that is directly responsible for any hint of black separatism that now irks you so. If African Americans feel the need to foster a sense of unity and pride through events and organizations featuring blacks exclusively, who are we to bitch and moan. We owe them this much. When your feelings are severely hurt because you can't win a Black Achievement Award, take a moment to wonder what it must have been like to be an African American up until about the late fifties and early sixties. I say more power to them, they deserve to be proud of who they are, how far they've come and to have something completely their own. God knows they had to struggle to earn it.

[twospirits]

In all the black/white/racism thread I've read, I must say that was one of the best explanations.

TS out

[drewh4386]

Well i'll answer that in my own words. Racism to me is basically ignorant. Which leds to me saying the inability to see the bigger picture. with exception to the less fortunate people, everybody can walk, talk, see, think, hear, speak, and has a heart. It is hard to see and realize things when you are in the mix of the doing. You kinda have to step back, look at yoursef and everybody else, use common since, and ask yourself, what if that were me. So like an STD some people seem to think that it can never be them or I am better than everybody so I can't get one. Almost like that superbowl commercial, we live in a judgemental world so some of everybody is going to judge too quickly at some point. And sometimes shouldn't they feel like an ass later? Some people don't because they have a brain and that is what they want to think. rasicm isn't a gene, it is thought. There are lots of stereo types out there that white people fix, and some that black people fit. And like a teen in school nobody is going to pay any attention to the good things they do. Just the bad. And I wouldn't always say white and black people can't always get a long or white people don't deserve this or that. But at some point in time tv needs to do a better job of trying to at least patch the gap a little. Sleeping and tv watching are the most done things. So why not make tv not always so one-sided? I mean tv is divided also. Ever look at the color of people when fliping through channels?


edit> Some rasicm people see how bad iraqis treat each other. See how bad and divided that country is? Why can't those same people see that they are doing the same things? Hating each other because I don't see or believe things the way YOU feel they should.

[moslerporschefreak]

Originally Posted by sivic02

im sure some were captured by the white devil...but for the most part it was other africans

racism just is because of not enough understanding, that and crack

Ok, you're on the right track but sorry, fundamentally wrong. True it was mostly other africans capturing other africans, but they did that because the slave traders paid them. That's actually the tragedy of this whole situation. Westerners pitted otherwise peaceful tribes against each other to sell their fellow africans. This doesn't mean that war didn't exist in African until Europeans showed up but it was much less drastic than it was once they did. Many people today blame the tribal warfare and genocide on wounds that were created during imperialism (late 19th century) and slave trade, and they are for the most part correct.

Note: of all the nations that partitioned africa, IMO the belgians left the worst legacy in central sub-Saharan Africa.

[RickwithaTbird]

When I said that the All Black programs insult me, I didnt mean that it deeply insults me. It makes me shake my head, and wish there was something I could do about it. I don't like to see Black organizations only helping black people. Yes there are many people who have been brought up in communities that lack the social functions of other communities, and yes a large number of them may be black, but that doesn't mean that blacks are the only ones in that situation. There are also whites, hispanics, and asians, ect. in the same situations, and I think that if they want to provide an opportunity for the people who live in a certain condition, then they should not only include those off their same race. There are others, and they should not be ignored, or forced to adopt their own Single Race Only programs. Since the era of segregation, we have decided to unite all Americans as one people, and to treat them as such. To provide only blacks with the opportunities they are able to provide is a counter action of that unity that ALL races have been fighting for for the last several decades.

[sivic02]

Originally Posted by moslerporschefreak

Ok, you're on the right track but sorry, fundamentally wrong. True it was mostly other africans capturing other africans, but they did that because the slave traders paid them.

Africans had other africans as slaves long before they even knew about white people. Sure the ammount of people who were captured as slaves increased but the beginning reason for africans to capture other africans and use them as slaves had nothing to do with slave traders.

[moslerporschefreak]

Originally Posted by sivic02

Africans had other africans as slaves long before they even knew about white people. Sure the ammount of people who were captured as slaves increased but the beginning reason for africans to capture other africans and use them as slaves had nothing to do with slave traders.

until either of us gets a figure on how much this increased under foreign slave trade influence neither of us can really prove our respective points.

[FreshKiddWitAScion]

Originally Posted by sivic02

First of all racism didnt cause slavery. Secondly, white people didnt enslave blacks, the slaves were bought and were already slaves in the native lands of Africa. White people didnt go over there and capture a bunch of people, they were bought from other African kings and people of that nature. Blacks were enslaving other blacks since about 460A.D. So as far as slavery being used as a reason for racism people who know the facts know that if they should be mad at anyone it should be the group of people who took over one tribe and enslaved them until they sold them, not white people who just bought them.

Such may be true that Africans enslaved other africans, but whites did come to Africa and TAKE groups of Africans. And to say that blacks shouldn't be mad at whites or blame them for slavery and racism is ridiculous

[FreshKiddWitAScion]

Originally Posted by ASTAutoSales

black people are more racist (as a whole) then whit people in the US. what if there was a white Chris Rock? White Enertainment Television? White History Month? Miss White Teen USA? Miss White USA? National association for the advancement of White People? National Scholarships offered ONLY to white People?

I was turned down for one scholarship in school just becaus i WAS NOT black......

I have always wondered if the tables were turned........

I heard Bill O'Reilly (Google Him) saying that since 1990, of African Immigrants make up 90% of the most succesful blacks in America. therefore making black people in america be the one thing that holds blacks back NOT racism.

If you Have side by side a white male and a black male, exact same school, exact same credentials, training, experience, everything the same. the black male will be picked over the white malefor many reasons.

Has anybody ever saw a television show or entire network be sued for not having any/enough white people?

P.S. What the hell is this about African Americans? Your AFRICAN or American not both. If your family has been for for generations your American. Im not Enlglish American.

sorry just ranting

I think you should check your facts, Census Data alone shows that of whites and blacks with the same credentials, the whites get picked hands down or make more money doing it.

What are you complaining about? Whites get more opportunities then any other race in America.

I think maybe your "whiteness" has been misguided.

[FreshKiddWitAScion]

Originally Posted by ASTAutoSales

black people are more racist (as a whole) then whit people in the US. what if there was a white Chris Rock? White Enertainment Television? White History Month? Miss White Teen USA? Miss White USA? National association for the advancement of White People? National Scholarships offered ONLY to white People?

I was turned down for one scholarship in school just becaus i WAS NOT black......

I have always wondered if the tables were turned........

I heard Bill O'Reilly (Google Him) saying that since 1990, of African Immigrants make up 90% of the most succesful blacks in America. therefore making black people in america be the one thing that holds blacks back NOT racism.

If you Have side by side a white male and a black male, exact same school, exact same credentials, training, experience, everything the same. the black male will be picked over the white malefor many reasons.

Has anybody ever saw a television show or entire network be sued for not having any/enough white people?

P.S. What the hell is this about African Americans? Your AFRICAN or American not both. If your family has been for for generations your American. Im not Enlglish American.

sorry just ranting

You need to redirect your focus, energy, and anger, because you have no idea what you're talking about. Let's get real here, do you honestly believe anything you posted?

[FreshKiddWitAScion]

Originally Posted by RickwithaTbird

I agree Kurt. I love chris rocks shows, and dave chapelles. They're hilarious. But Texas... the point he was making is not that chris rock is racist.

Lets be real, what he said is true. There are scholarships set up just for black people, and if you are white, you can't have them. There are award shows strictly for black actors. Imagine if there was an award show where no black actors could win because it was just for white people. Look at FUBU.. For Us By Us. Meaning, not for white people. What if there were scholarships that were only given to white kids? It would be hell to pay. All the people involved in anything pertaining only to whites would be lynched by the media, and the public. But blacks can do anything they want and exclude white people, and it is accepted. Why is that?

I have had many black friends in my life, hell, almost every race on the planet actually. I love all kinds of people. But I dont think its fair for the blacks to exclude us, and extricate us from their award shows, and scholarships, and tv shows. They fought for the right to be equal just a few decades ago, and now they exclude us. It is hypocritical, and its just flat out wrong. They are getting away with so many things that white people could never even imagine getting away with, and I don't like it.

I think the rules should not allow all that BS. Where do we draw the line? The all black venues and colleges insult me as a white person. Why are they separating themselves from us and getting away with it? That is not equality. Its a problem.

You guys are definitely blind to the reality of the matter, no matter how much you think that we are excluding you, you have to realize that whites have more than the majority of the power in the U.S., and news flash, a lot of the things that we have "solely" to ourselves are owned by whites; case and ponit: BET (Black Entertainment Television).