In progress - McLaren MP4/5B - Page 2

Scuderia. · 02-25-2005, 07:35 AM

When I started builing the model about a year and a half ago I found this site and wanted to sign up so I could use it. However, Scuderia was taken and so I just decided to go with scudera, even though I didn't really like it. Then when I decided to post my first progress thread I figured I'd change my name. Scuderia was still taken so I just added a full stop to the end.
Because I am moving I used an old computer which was still under scudera and didn't realise until I had posted the reply. So hopefully this will be the last time scudera is used.

Thanks for the link Huudo. I think the mp4/5b you have pics of is the early season version because it has the flat floor. I am doing the one with the curved floor, but thanks for the pics, you can never have enough.

Scuderia. · 05-26-2005, 01:01 AM

This is my first update for a while. I have been slowly working on the car, but not posted too many pics. I cleaned up all the body work and primed it with tamiya white primer. I am also using the f1 specialties detail set so I primed the pe wing endplates as well. I then coated all the surfaces in tamiya white (ts26) and left them to dry for two months. I then masked off the areas needing paint and sprayed them with tamiya fluorescent red (ts26) and left them for a month.
I then applied SMS cf decal around the lower portions of the cowling and the endplates, and the museum collection decals that I bought when I first got the car. I am also building a Jordan 191 (which I haven’t posted any pics of, but will soon) and used museum collection decals on the car. I was really disappoint with how thick they were and how I had to apply many coats of clear to be able to sand the surfaces so they were flush. Then late one night I had a thought that I might have bought these decals because they were Hi-tech. So I tested one of the decals and what do you know that thick clear cover came off and left a nice bright thin decal underneath. Too late for the Jordan, but a win for the Mclaren. So after I let the decals dry for two weeks. I took the decision to coat the car with tamiya clear (ts13). I have been using an automotive clear for the Jordan and rc211v that I am building and the paint just hasn’t worked for me. Knowing that the clear could damage the decals I applied two mist coats, then a light coat then a medium. With about 20mins between each coat.

When I checked how the clear had gone that night I noticed that the red had flowed into the white in small sections and looked horrible. Some of the red in one or two of the decals had also run a little.

So now I am pretty frustrated, every thing was going so well. Does anybody know why this only happened in small areas and only with the red. Is it particularly susceptible to running. I haven’t had the problem with other colours. Does anybody have a good solution to fix the problem. I don’t want to strip the paint. Am I better off to respray some white over the top, or respray the red and make the red section a little wider.

I have also been working on the engine and will post some pics of that soon.

manu80 · 09-16-2005, 07:14 AM

Yep i had the same problem with my MP4/10 from studio 27.The red has blurred into the white too...Maybe my mask wasn't god enough, I don't know..Still trying to figure it out too....Very good work, nevertheless. Good luck

hueb_s · 09-16-2005, 02:32 PM

The monocoque looks brilliant! For the paint bleeding, simply try to sand it CAREFULLY down until you're on the white layer then mask again (only a small part of the red) and repaint red. After that sand "new" red CAREFULLY down to "old" red level and later cover with several layers of clear, in between sanded... You'll see nothing afterall from your mistake.

allnie · 09-17-2005, 05:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Scuderia.

When I checked how the clear had gone that night I noticed that the red had flowed into the white in small sections and looked horrible. Some of the red in one or two of the decals had also run a little.

Welcome to the club. This also happened to me. Don't use TS-13, this is not good. Use the Gunze top clear coat and those problems are history.

hueb_s · 09-17-2005, 05:45 AM

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Originally Posted by allnie

Welcome to the club. This also happened to me. Don't use TS-13, this is not good. Use the Gunze top clear coat and those problems are history.

I strongly agree! Allan is absolutely right, Gunze B501 Top Coat is my only clear, I use it for just everything. Doesn't melt decals and doesn't react with other paints. Just perfect!

Scuderia. · 11-02-2005, 01:23 AM

Progress is coming along slowly on this one. I have done most of the engine and glued it to the chassis. The chassis is covered in CF decal which has been coated with smoke and flat clear. The engine has been detailed with MCG PE bolts and some perfect parts PE. The velocity stacks are also perfect parts and look nice, though they are a little rough but I didn’t clean them up. I also used some modelers hose ends and some detail master wires for things like the ignition, but you can’t see them in the pics.

The monocoque isn’t finished yet and is just sitting on the chassis. The rear body work has also been painted and polished, but as you can see in the pics hasn’t been glued in place yet.

The wheels are just sitting in place in the pics, and the front right is a little wonky which I didn’t notice. The Good year logo was sprayed on and some sakatsu bolts were used for the valve stems, and flat aluminium foil was used for the weight.

Haven’t got up the courage yet to tackle the problem with the paint on the cowling. Maybe next week, if the weather clears up. I am also going to try some gunze clear coat on my 191 to see how it goes.

robrex · 11-02-2005, 02:11 AM

nice progress!
Is that arrow on the rear tyre pointing the wrong way?

Captain Mark · 11-02-2005, 02:29 AM

Nice work! The engine detail is amazing!

Murray Kish · 11-02-2005, 10:14 AM

Very very nice

Good luck with the paint bleed issue. Frustrating, I'm sure!!!

Gonna be a stunner when it's done!

Murray

Scuderia. · 11-03-2005, 12:32 AM

Nice spotting Rob. The arrow is the wrong way because I wasn't paying attention when I was putting the wheels on. When I swap the wheels around the arrows will be right.

sportracer02 · 11-03-2005, 01:51 AM

Hi,

looks very good so far inspite of your trouble withe the flowing red. Good idea with painting the interior

lazbun · 11-13-2005, 12:14 AM

Very nice build !!!!!
I really like the way you painted the monocoque.
Keep up the good work !!

PUN

Decs0105 · 11-13-2005, 02:25 AM

WOW looks amazing!!!

Which color have you used for the chassis, it looks like a perfect match?

Scuderia. · 11-15-2005, 02:54 AM

I described the process I used to get the monocoque colour in my first post thesaint111, but here it is again.

The final effect was obtained by laying down a mixed of dark copper and black mixed together, in something like the ratio of 3:1. That was followed by a light coat of turn signal amber and several coats of smoke. Sections of the monocoque were then taped off and several more light coats of smoke were applied to give the panelling effect. The decals were then laid down and several coats of satin clear were applied.

It may be helpful for your mp4/6. You probably want to have a play around and see what works best for you. I don't think the pictures show the true effect. It is quite brown and black most of the time, but when you get some light on it the amber shines through. Similar to what you see in pictures of the real car when a flash has been used and it gets a bright amber sheen.

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