new subs??????

[CBFryman]

PS...
SPL
XXX
SX
Avalanche

SQ
XXX
Avalanche
SX

IMO

[oraxid24124]

has anyone heard the avalanches before?

[CBFryman]

they are from ascendant audio
Ascendantaudio.com

watch this vid and tell me you dont want one
This Vid is good like sex on a sunday morning

[AndonD454]

SX is louder than XXX. and this i know for sure cause its been tested. i think even the guys at RE say that its like over 1db louder at every freq. and i think its more than that at a certain freq... cant remember what i read but im pretty sure that im right that the SX is louder..

and as far as the SQ you might be right but i think they would be close enough to call a tie

[CBFryman]

sorry, you are right, i was thinking SE.

once agian
tell me you dont want one!!!
http://www.realmofexcursion.com/vide...totype12.1.wmv

[oraxid24124]

Originally Posted by CBFryman

they are from ascendant audio
Ascendantaudio.com

watch this vid and tell me you dont want one
This Vid is good like sex on a sunday morning

i dont want one!







4 would be nice

[CBFryman]

4 would blow your car appart...just to let you know
an xxx15 is capeable of ~145dB tops in a ported enclosure. it has 32mm one way xmax.
that woofer has 60mm+ one way xmax. does that mean it is capeable of 290dB? no. but that does mean it is capeable of probably into the 150-155dB range. 4 would be compeating with the 9 15's SPL monster class dragers are using. and it would take significantly less wattage. this is basiclaly a scaled down parthenon with surrond and basket. i like how someone over on soundillusions said it.
"and its ONLY moving 4-5 inches P2P there. we still have about another 3/4 to go"

[AndonD454]

what the hell?? whats up with that vid? the surround looks like ass when its moving like that. am i looking at the vid right or am i missing smoethin here..

cause ive seen pics of this sub moving like that and the surround was totally fine when it was moving like 4.25 in. p2p.

[CBFryman]

i dunno, but i wouldnt expect a surround capeable of 6" P2P to look ant better.

[oraxid24124]

Originally Posted by CBFryman

4 would blow your car appart...just to let you know
an xxx15 is capeable of ~145dB tops in a ported enclosure. it has 32mm one way xmax.
that woofer has 60mm+ one way xmax. does that mean it is capeable of 290dB? no. but that does mean it is capeable of probably into the 150-155dB range. 4 would be compeating with the 9 15's SPL monster class dragers are using. and it would take significantly less wattage. this is basiclaly a scaled down parthenon with surrond and basket. i like how someone over on soundillusions said it.
"and its ONLY moving 4-5 inches P2P there. we still have about another 3/4 to go"

sarcasm.....but thanks for the info

i think i have narrows it to two avalanche 15's or two RE SX's now i just have to come up with the funds for them

[CBFryman]

i still think you should get one of thoes bad boys once they are out. it should be less than $1000 or right around there $1700 tops. its XBL^2 which means awsome SQ and with 1000-2000w it would be at least 3-6dB louder than two SX's

[ngsm13]

Sorry, i hate to tell you CBfryman...but in facts AND logic you could not be farther from the truth. You missed in almost every aspect, when I have more time I'll come back and let you guys know a little of what's up, I'm not allowed to open my mouth too much tho

NG

[bumpinstang77]

LOL you crack me up man 2 SX's off the same power will murder any single 15 I can think off CONE AREA. And SPL has VERY LITTLE to do with your subs. Those new ones will not be hitting 150's or anywhere close in a daily setup. More like 145 TOPS for the 15 and that's in a DAMN good install fully powered. and an XXX15 does not do a 145 in most installs and yes it can be louder then a 145 I'm sure someone could EASILY crank a 150 outa one in an SPL setup. Its all in the install.

[ngsm13]

Putting all the stuff together just to clear things up...this is in no means meant to belittle anyone, just wanted to clear up some misconceptions.

Originally Posted by CBFryman

4 would blow your car appart...just to let you know
an xxx15 is capeable of ~145dB tops in a ported enclosure. it has 32mm one way xmax.
that woofer has 60mm+ one way xmax. does that mean it is capeable of 290dB? no. but that does mean it is capeable of probably into the 150-155dB range. 4 would be compeating with the 9 15's SPL monster class dragers are using. and it would take significantly less wattage. this is basiclaly a scaled down parthenon with surrond and basket. i like how someone over on soundillusions said it.
"and its ONLY moving 4-5 inches P2P there. we still have about another 3/4 to go"

4 wouldn't blow a car apart, it would sound good and be really loud (if properly powered and installed). You can NEVER say the absolute maximum decibels of a subwoofer. Many people have hit over 150dB's with a XXX in an SPL, I'll being trying to do so myself soon. These subs are in NO WAY "SPL monsters", they are XBL^2 enabled, and juat have a shitload of throw so they will have great output! If someone uses them in an SPL install, they would be dumb...b/c of many reason which i could elaborate on more if asked to do so. In no way is it similar to the parthenon. Also the "someone" who said it over at siN was David, part (?) owner of RE.

Originally Posted by AndonD454

what the hell?? whats up with that vid? the surround looks like ass when its moving like that. am i looking at the vid right or am i missing smoethin here..

cause ive seen pics of this sub moving like that and the surround was totally fine when it was moving like 4.25 in. p2p.

Well, when you use a tall rubber surround (chosen over treated foam in this high excursion application) you get something call a dimpling effect. This is no way hinders performance, it's just the rubber doing it's thing as the cone WANGS! Lol, look at the Image Dynamis IDMax, it does the same thing...as will eD's A v.2 if it ever comes out. It's a side effect of the high excursion and type of surround.

Originally Posted by CBFryman

i dunno, but i wouldnt expect a surround capeable of 6" P2P to look ant better.

It won't be capable of 6" p2p. SUPPOSEDLY, it's capable of 4.75" p2p, could be a little exagerrated, we'll soon see. But, linearity wise...it'll be less obviously. And no where near 6" p2p...

Originally Posted by CBFryman

i still think you should get one of thoes bad boys once they are out. it should be less than $1000 or right around there $1700 tops. its XBL^2 which means awsome SQ and with 1000-2000w it would be at least 3-6dB louder than two SX's

It will DEFINITELY be less than $1000 MSRP...can't speak of how much it will be direct. Also can't speak of what it will be named, and what other things will happen. It will need 2kw+ from what has been said. And again, there's NO way to say how much louder it will be than any other driver...keep in mind the SX is louder than the current XXX, 1.4dB's louder to be exact in David's testing.

So, there's TONS of things that will be happening with NUMEROUS companies in the next 6 months. Be looking out especially in the next 2-3 months...you'll be happy and surprised! peace

NG

[CBFryman]

It 2 XXX 15's can make door hinges crack in more SPL oriented set ups...id hate to see what 4 of thoes would do. Maybe like Scottie's, what was it 9 brahma's, cracking his door frame completely in half. (BTW did he switch to XXX's now?) I was just giving a roudn about estimate of what your aveage guy can extract form the XXX. 145, or there bouts is what your average guy gets from an XXX. in SQL set ups ive seen 135-140. Im hoping 140 when i want it to go that far from my 18 once i get it and get The Beast. im hoping 130-135 with the Hifonics amp. i may buy two instead of the beast and wire them master/slave to get a sapposed 3600w but probably sitting more near 2800-2900.
Surface area*excursion is what matters in SPL, not just surface area.
someone said 5 3/4 is what thoes surrounds are capeable of doing. which is right about where the motor on it stops pushing. which dimpleing isnt a bad thing but it isnt good either. it may effect sound a TAD if it isnt very loud but not audiable at the levles most surrounds start dimpleing. mostly it is just ugly. plus that is a pretty old video, they may have done some tweaking to that surroud after that vid. of course JL never dimples....:cough:
but i will tell you this, i wouldnt want to sit in a car with 4 of thoes even 12's or 10's.