Company fires 7 for smoking outside of work... - Page 2

Mannheim 80 · #16 02-09-2005, 02:28 AM

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Originally Posted by my3rdskyline

it's not about smoking. it's just that... okay.. what else then? where is the line?

I can see it now:
Employees will get fired from condom companies because they had kids.

Ford employees will get fired for driving a Chevy.

Taco bell employees beacause they at at McDonalds.

Oz · #17 02-09-2005, 04:24 AM

What an utter farce. Lucky it'll never happen to me. 2/3 of the company smokes

BP2K2Max · #18 02-09-2005, 09:32 AM

how is this rule enforced? just don't smoke at work and tell them you quit.

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Originally Posted by RickwithaTbird

Texas, this isnt the government telling them not to do it. Its the employer saying stop or else we dont want you to work for us anymore. IMO the employer should have that right.

what if your employer sent you a message saying something like "automotive enthusiast will no longer have a job with our company due to the dangers associated with performing routine car maintenance and/or spirited driving." wouldn't you kinda be like "who the fuck are you to tell me what i can and can't do in my free time?"

TexasF355F1 · #19 02-09-2005, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by RickwithaTbird

Texas, this isnt the government telling them not to do it. Its the employer saying stop or else we dont want you to work for us anymore. IMO the employer should have that right.

I said the government or anyone else. I realize that it is the employer who did this, and not the government. I don't think the employer has the right, nor should be given the right to tell people they have to quit smoking. It's ridiculous. Like I said, I understand them wanting to do this b/c of health benefits. However, just say that they are ineligible to receive it, if the medical problems that occur are due to smoking.

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Originally Posted by Porsche

The government wants to make sure it has nice healthy taxpayers.

Yes, it's your own body, but if you propagate such self-destrcutive mentalities as this to impressionable young children, you're not really helping anybody, not even yourself then are you?

Isn't that the truth. Just more greed by the government. What do you mean propogate this to young children? People have been smoking for ever just about. It's the parents responsibility to teach their children the dangers of smoking and what can happen. Besides, when are there children at work? That's not a good enough argument, IMO, to say that the employer can fire the employees.

-Josh- · #20 02-09-2005, 10:21 AM

It all comes down to $$ in this case. Smokers obviously have a high risk of getting diseases such as emphysema(sp?) cancer, and many other health related problems. If one of their employees ends up with one of these illnesses, then they are going to lose money in many ways(health care, job productivity, disability etc...) If they dont want to have to deal with these issues because of someone elses life choices then they can do whatever they feel will make them an extra buck. They're just thinking ahead.

fredjacksonsan · #21 02-09-2005, 10:39 AM

See the political/current events forum.

publicenemy137 · #22 02-09-2005, 11:26 AM

it's my experience that most smokers take a billion breaks during the day for a smoke. Maybe they just wanted to cut the people smoking b/c they want everyone to work the same amount. I remember I used to work with smokers, I'd do much more work than them b/c they'd go for a smoke break every hour, come back, and after being outside they like to take it a lil easy. Mind you I'm not saying all smokers are like this, I've also worked with smokers who work extremely hard, and smoke to reduce the stress. But maybe at their company, the smokers were the slackers and this is an excuse to get rid of em

240NIZ · #23 02-09-2005, 11:32 AM

Next thing you know they will be telling us which toilet papaer to use to wipe our asses with.

alfonso2501 · #24 02-09-2005, 11:39 AM

It’ll be interesting to see how the lawsuit pans out. That’ll decide how this will play out. As for my own personal feelings; well I’m a 10 year smoker who quit about 3 years ago. I’m on the fence with this one. Part of me feels that cigarettes should be outlawed from this planet! Yet another part of me feels that the government has no right to tell me what I can or can’t do with my self.

Yo, fredjacksonsan! I know that there is a same thread going on in the political/current events forum! I stay out of there because things tend to get stupid there. So i hope the mods don't merge these 2 together. Peace!

fredjacksonsan · #25 02-09-2005, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by publicenemy137

it's my experience that most smokers take a billion breaks during the day for a smoke. Maybe they just wanted to cut the people smoking b/c they want everyone to work the same amount. I remember I used to work with smokers, I'd do much more work than them b/c they'd go for a smoke break every hour, come back, and after being outside they like to take it a lil easy. Mind you I'm not saying all smokers are like this, I've also worked with smokers who work extremely hard, and smoke to reduce the stress. But maybe at their company, the smokers were the slackers and this is an excuse to get rid of em

Agreed. The smokers in my office have gone on 4 smoke breaks today of about 10 minutes each. They've been here since 8 and it's now 1145.

BP2K2Max · #26 02-09-2005, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by fredjacksonsan

Agreed. The smokers in my office have gone on 4 smoke breaks today of about 10 minutes each. They've been here since 8 and it's now 1145.

are you at work in the same office today? i just checked your post history for the day and you have posting on AF since 8:00 am. sounds like you're just as unproductive as the smokers.

ASTAutoSales · #27 02-09-2005, 01:05 PM

i quit one job i worked at because they allowed smokers to take a 15 minute break every frickin hour. but i couldnt take a piss without getting permission. i started taking candy cigarettes out and chewing on them but they wrote me up for it. thats when i said buh-bye

taranaki · #28 02-09-2005, 01:13 PM

This is a two-week old story....we've already moved it to 'politics and current affairs' once and beaten it to death...
http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbul...d.php?t=355148

'97ventureowner · #29 02-09-2005, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by BP2K2Max

how is this rule enforced? just don't smoke at work and tell them you quit.

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I believe I read somewhere else that the company administers a test to the employee,(similar to a drug test I guess,) which tells them if the employee is still smoking or not. So you really can't tell them you quit, if the test results say something different.

fredjacksonsan · #30 02-09-2005, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by BP2K2Max

are you at work in the same office today? i just checked your post history for the day and you have posting on AF since 8:00 am. sounds like you're just as unproductive as the smokers.

Touche'!! Our office has intermittent bursts of activity, and the smokers here DO usually go out when nothing's happening, to their credit. Although there have been times that things hit the fan while they were out.

But things were different at the last place I worked, constant phones ringing and service issues; we'd have to take up the slack for the smokers. On our team of 6, often the 2 smokers would go out at the same time, leaving the rest of us to answer their phones in addition to our own. So instead of working 2 phone lines, we'd be working three, doing their work for them, which often extended to 20 minutes or more after they got back.

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