E36 M3 vs Trans am WS6.

[NISSANSPDR]

Originally Posted by SuperHighOutput

http://www.roadandtrack.com/article....&page_number=1
Here is a link to a Road & Track article where they have some tracks times for a Camaro SS. If you look at the times for the other cars as well you will see that the Camaro lapped faster than a BMW M roadster, a Boxster S, an SLK320, and a Honda S2000.

Yea all the cars the SS beat were convertibles and they arent known for their rigidity...it didnt beat one coupe...

[RedLightning]

Originally Posted by NISSANSPDR

Bahhahahahahahahahahahahaahahhaahahahahahahahaahah aha

OMG that's a good one...have you seen the interior? I mean I am not going to argue the power or the outside...b/c I liked the outside at one point and time in my childhood...but then I sat inside when I was like 15 and was completely turned off by the car...I am sure it's something you can live w/but after being in such cars like the LS400, SC400, 300ZX, even my dad's 4Runner...I expect a bit more out of interiors...hell it's what you have to live w/and stare at 90% your w/the car

And please dont make this an import vs. domestic thing...it's just a crap interior...

I learned how to drive in a 97 grand prix(drive a 12 year old pickup though the Ls interior is better then the gp), Im used to crappy interiors. Pluss I dont like luxury cars. And like chevydrummer said, Im talking about the exterior. Oh and im starting a import vs domestic thing b/c I said I like its v8 and styling?!

[FormulaLT1]

wow this was a hard one to vote for because on the one hand I own one of these:

And on the other hand I own one of these:

And while its not a M3 I love both my cars but I voted for the WS6 only because I love the price,muscle car feel and ease of making gobs of power for cheap. On the other hand though if I had to do any commuting or was looking for the all around perfect car you can't get a better handling ,fast, all the toys rip up the road with style car than the M3. This one was a real hard one but why not take one of each if you can?.

John

[Jimster]

While the US Market got shafted on the power front with thier M3's, the E36 still offers more comfort, superior build quality, tasteful and understated styling, superior road-holding/handling over all surdaces (I mean Steve Millen races Toyota utes*, is it any wonder he was more used to the Camaro? It'd have suited his driving style better, I'd imagine) and a level of engineering that eclipses that of the F-Body.


And try telling someone that bought a VT Series II Holden Commodore V8 that the LS1 doesn't have reliability issues (Excessive oil consumption in about 5-10% of the engines, even at low milages). Chances are they'll laugh at you or clout you. Though in all fairness this was on earlier engines and the problem was rectified.

So I'll take the M3, I don't really care if it's slower in a straight line or more expensive to maintain.




*I may be getting mixed up with Rod Millen, common thing for me

[SuperHighOutput]

Originally Posted by NISSANSPDR

Yea all the cars the SS beat were convertibles and they arent known for their rigidity...it didnt beat one coupe...

Of course it didn't beat any of the coupes, were talking about a 911 Turbo, a Z06, and Ferraris. The M3 wouldn't stand a chance against those cars either.

Jimster, oil consumption is not a reliability issue, all SBCs consume oil, more so than your average engine. The only thing you have to do is look under the hood every so often and check the dipstick and add oil if necessary, problem solved.

[Rakshas]

Sorry about the pics guys, heres some better ones. Although, Techno violet can look pretty good sometimes.






The only real reason I'm looking at the WS6 is the potential,the fact that everything is cheaper, and I had a 84 TA.

[del]

after posting the red e36, how can you say no to such a pretty face . you can definately feel the muscle in the pontiac, there's no question and it can be quite exhilerating. and while i can certainly appreciate american muscle, there's more to a fine sports car than brute balls under the hood.

[Dreamspawn]

umm http SuperHighOutput the the bmw was a roadster not the m3 he is looking at. the m3 has 343.0 bhp @ 7900 rpm
269.0 ft lbs @ 4900 rpm compared to the roadsters Horsepower 240 bhp @ 6000 rpm
Torque 236 lb-ft @ 3800 rpm
so i think that comparsion would be alittle unfair to make with that magazine article. I still say the WS6 is dead sexy but if he is going autox the m3 still the better choice. Don't get me wrong i love the t/a i would defintly buy one if i had the money i'd get one raw hp/tr,350 v8. But if he has the funds and wants autox with alttle drag.

[Kurtdg19]

Originally Posted by Rakshas

Sorry about the pics guys, heres some better ones. Although, Techno violet can look pretty good sometimes.

Much Much better looking! That is what you call sex on wheels

And Dreamspawn, I believe the numbers you are referring to are for the E46 M3, not the E36 M3 which is exclusive to this comparo. The E36's output is 240hp I believe, which is still quite peppy IMO.

[Dreamspawn]

whoopsie

[TRD2000]

is this a serious comparison?

The M3 has it over the TA in every way except straight line.

no stupid comparisons.

[crayzayjay]

Originally Posted by TRD2000

is this a serious comparison?

The M3 has it over the TA in every way except straight line.

no stupid comparisons.

Leave the moderating to me, thanks

[NISSANSPDR]

Originally Posted by crayzayjay

Leave the moderating to me, thanks

[TRD2000]

a third rate american sports car Vs an evolved German touring car. please, that's a ridiculous comparison.

i wonder if anybody has ever bothered to put the TA round N'burg, betting they have with Z06's even camaro's probably... what exactly was the design brief on the trans am anyway? look tough and sound mean and be able to move as much iron as a mining truck with about the same handling? The M3 was built, successfully, to obliterate everything in it's class, and it did so as a giant killer, the E36 is more refined, more powerfull and has even better build quality, it's also more comfortable than the original M3. it only came off the pinnicle when the R32 came on the scene... with the same aspirations.

[kman10587]

TRD2000, the Z28/Trans Am duo have been dominating in their Solo II class for a long time. Yes, they have a brash muscle car personality and plenty of horsepower, but they have a highly competent chassis and suspension to back it up. Do some research before you spout off your narrow-minded, anti-American innuendo around here.