GTO or VR-4

[Stealthee]

Originally Posted by Gateway

^^ wrong

the TT GTO MR is like....350 horse or more. it comes with 13g turbos stock.

WRONG! The MR is only a lighter version of the regular GTO TT. It is built on the Z15 NA AWD GTO Chassis so it has not AWS, ECS, or any weight adding creature comforts. Also the MR did not come with 13g's. It came with 9b's just all other GTO TT's. Only some Euro spec 3k's came with 13gs.

[92VR4Red]

Yeah Its is really impossible to import a car... one of perfomance dealers i go to has a skyline he told me they had to build to complete exhuast out of catalic converters to pass emissions test. because all the major car impoters are in califonia and florida and they have really stricked emission laws... now if you could import it to texas lol then no prob there... plus the guy said to buy it there was only a small part of the price most of it was geting it over here...

[92VR4Red]

now i really havent took time to look into this but what is the main dif between a VR4 and GTO... I always thought they called the 3rd gen or 99 vr4s the GTO...

[k3smostwanted]

Originally Posted by 92VR4Red

now i really havent took time to look into this but what is the main dif between a VR4 and GTO... I always thought they called the 3rd gen or 99 vr4s the GTO...

ill let someone who knows these cars alot better to confirm this and go into detal but i think Mitsubishi GTO (AKA Mitsubishi VR4 here in the US) was only offered to japan...

something about they had to rename because there was already the GTO name here in the states...

[92VR4Red]

true but earlier someone said they came stock with the 13b turbos... thats a dif...
is their any engine dif like bore and storke and such?...

[92VR4Red]

wait mabey i read things wrong :S
but if what they are saying is true that the JDM version of the VR4 or GTO comes stock more HP then man ill ship me a engine in... but if they are all the same then forget about it...

[k3smostwanted]

i think there is controversy about the JDM GTO MR's...because i have also heard that the MR version had 13B's and then i have also been told that they had 9B's and they just weighed ALOT less.

but i think they had to have a little more HP...but thats just my opinion based on the MR video floating around beating a GTR with a 12.6 run in the 1/4 mile...

anyone want to fly to japan and find out???

[Thourun]

13Gs, 13Bs would be pretty big lol.

[k3smostwanted]

Originally Posted by Thourun

13Gs, 13Bs would be pretty big lol.

oops...you know what i meant FOO!!!

[Thourun]

Yea, I should have corrected it the first post lol, lazy me.

[Stealthee]

It is a fact that MR's came with 9bs just like any other GTO. And as far as GTO's all JDM 3000gt's were GTO's. There was the GTO TT, GTO MR, and GTO SR. They were all AWD too. None of the JDM motors came with any more engine hp. But they had less emissions equipment on them so more power got to the wheels than US spec.

[k3smostwanted]

Originally Posted by Stealthee

It is a fact that MR's came with 9bs just like any other GTO. And as far as GTO's all JDM 3000gt's were GTO's. There was the GTO TT, GTO MR, and GTO SR. They were all AWD too. None of the JDM motors came with any more engine hp. But they had less emissions equipment on them so more power got to the wheels than US spec.

so how much less does the GTO MR weigh compared to the VR4??? it has to be almost 1000lbs lighter to run the times it does and still have no power advantage except for a few extra horses from lack of emissions equipment...it is said that you lose approximately .08 second from the 1/4 mile for each 100lbs depending on car, before weight and all the good stuff...but we will just use that as an average persay. and then we will give the MR 15hp extra to make up for the lack of emissions equipment. so now...the VR4 if ran very well runs a mid 13...so we will say 13.5 seconds in the 1/4 mile.

with those numbers the GTO MR would have to weigh at most ~2900lbs...to run the 12.6 in the 1/4 that it ran against the GTR in that video clip. thats a 900lb weight loss and thats generous...to actually run that time it would probably be more like a 1200lbs weight loss because once you start getting less and less weight that .08 seconds per 100lbs starts to get lower and lower.

this is all possible...but the MR edition is supposed to be mitsubishi's best performing car. so why would they offer the better performance in a non MR edition and not the MR??? it just doesnt make sense to me. im not tryign to start an argument or anything, im just trying to learn whats going on...

[youngvr4]

it didn't run a 12.6 it ran a 12.8

it only weighs 130lbs lighter then the vr4, so about the same weight as the supra if not less

as i said once before, drag racing has many things that come into it, wht type of pavement or concrete is bieng ran on, what elevation. the weather etc...

in best conditions a regular stealth tt ran a 13.0
most likely it was cold outside and he was very close to sea level.
with some very good drivers and the right conditions 12.8 is very doable with 130lbs gone

C&D ran the supra when it first came out at 13.1 stock. take another car with 320hp and awd with the same weight as the supra and you have a better 1320 time

[Igovert500]

I'm assuming this mixup is my fault...I had it wrong in the FAQ (it is now corrected). Stealthee and young are correct, they had 9bs.

[k3smostwanted]

ok guys JEEZ...it still doesnt make sense to me, but i guess i will have to take everyone's word.