need your guys' opinion

[ricesucks]

I say turbo/supercharge it. Why? Because insurance is good on a tC. Its still underwarrenty (If you get it before that with the supercharger) there is a TON of wrx's...Not alot of fast tC's...I also think the tC would beat a wrx on the highway

[Thourun]

Well what do you want out of a car? New or old? Boxy or low slung? Japanese? Rare or dime a dozen? And how much do you want to spend!?

[street_racer_00]

Originally Posted by TatII

you think a weak little 200hp engine in a 2900-3000 lb car will get you in the mid to low 14's? stop dreaming. that will give him the exact same power to weight ratio of a H22 powered 5 gen prelude. those are mid to 15 flat cars.

for that car to hit mid to low 14's he would need atleast 230-260hp.

mmmmm pretty sure you're wrong, because TC's run 15.7 in the 1/4 bone stock...add at LEAST another 40 hp on top of that, and you do the math...power/weight theory doesn't always work....look at the 3 series BMW (328 in particular)....weighs 3400 lbs, has a mere 193 hp, and runs 15 flat in the 1/4.

[beyondloadedSE]

WRX. An STI would be even better, but Im sure funds are limited. Id vote for a turbo, especially if its a centrifugal supercharger thats made for your car. No power under the curve there! If its a roots style, then I could go either way.

[silentscreams85]

thnx much for the comments guys, appreciate it

[dampachi]

RobTypeR didn't last too long..he said some stupid shit in a mustang thread and got banned. But yeah..I don't know man. It's kind of a tough place to be in. Personally, I'd take an STi anyday. But you might want to try something totally unique. Which is also cool..but hey..it's obvious I'm not into the whole trying to be unique thing. I have a Mustang.

[MR2Driver]

http://www.jotechracing.com/html/pro...ctVehicleID=55

Check out that tC.

[Underground_Killah]

i've seen that scion before.... that's a MONSTER.... holy cow.. just curious when they will make it to 600 in that thing

[TatII]

Originally Posted by street_racer_00

mmmmm pretty sure you're wrong, because TC's run 15.7 in the 1/4 bone stock...add at LEAST another 40 hp on top of that, and you do the math...power/weight theory doesn't always work....look at the 3 series BMW (328 in particular)....weighs 3400 lbs, has a mere 193 hp, and runs 15 flat in the 1/4.

do you think that another 40hp will bring down his e.t. by over 1 second? what world do you live in? did it ever come to mind that the bmw's could be by any chance underrated?

trust me 40hp is nothing. and 200hp is nothing. a type R makes 190hp with perfect gearing, limited slip differential, and nice tires, and weights 200lbs less. those run's a high 14 in the 1/4.

what makes you think a scion with no limited slip, taller gearing, less grippy tires, and 300 more lbs can run .2-.5's faster then a type R?

again i laugh at the statement that you even put down yourself. you even stated the car run's a high 15 stock. and you think with 40hp he'll shave off a 1.5 seconds off his E.T. rrriiiggghhhttt.

it also makes my car feel pretty bad considering the the fact that i have almost 90 horses over him ( if he gets a super charger )and my car is still only a 14 flat to high 13 second car and i weight the same as him but with better take off becuase i have RWD. most of my friends who have turbo KA's running similar power run's a high 13. so i guess him again, him making 90 less horses, taking off less, probrably making less tq then me is goin to be able to keep up with me? esp on the highway? nooooo waaaaayyyy. not a chance.

a Saturn ion redline makes 200whp and the car is rated at 200 crank hp, those run's a high 14. again making waaay more power then the Tc. yet that magical 200 crank hp Tc can somehow out run it by half a second esp since its making 30 less hp then the redline.

another example, a 03-04 max puts down 220whp in 6 speed trim, yet it only run's a high 14 in the 1/4 mile yet it only weights 200lbs more then the super charged TC. and the Tc will most likely put down 170whp for having 200hp. now being able to move 200 lbs more mass it would require around another 20whp which will bring the total up to around 190whp which is aroudn what your max should dyno at ( if its stock ) so again it should run the same time your max run's ( which is what i guessed originally ) and it should be .3 tenths slower then the 3.5 liter maxima's since its 30whp down which is a low 15 to 15 flat again.

no matter how many different ways i break this down, its just not possible.

i guess you really have no idea how quick a low 14 second car is huh?
i'm sorry but i will argue with you to the bitter end on this becuase i've never ever seen a car taht weights 3000 lbs do the 1/4 mile in mid to low 14 with only 200 crank hp. esp a rsx doesn't run that and they freaking weight 100-200 lbs less then a 200 hp tc.

[Neutrino]

overall tat has a very good point. It is not that easy to lose seconds in the 1/4 as many people seem to make it.

Anyway back to the options. The TRD SC for the scion is a very nice option. You will not have monster power but you'll be quik with a nice classy car whith full warranty.


For cheap massive power the srt4 will be your best choice. However you'll get car far more uncivilised than the tC. Some people like that some don't.


The wrx will also be a good choice, more civilised than the srt4 and AWD but it will not be as easy to make it into a power monster as the SRT4 and it will be 4k more.

[street_racer_00]

A 40 hp gain in a car that makes only 160 hp is a pretty big gain...the fact that you think a 40 hp gain is nothing is asinine...I would pay a great deal of money for 40 hp if I had the financial means to do so...there is also the chevy cobalt that has been magazine tested(yeah I know, times on paper, but I have no basis for comparison) that have the same amt. of horsepower as the aforementioned redline, yet ran a low 14 second 1/4...for some reason I have a hard time believing that BMW would have a reason to underrate their motors, since their 3-series is not meant for race applications(M3 notwithstanding)...I just think it's not out of the question for a scion to run mid to low 14s with a supercharger...they aren't that slow to begin with, why would it be that pie-in-the-sky to think otherwise? Just look at Jayson's cavalier...we all know that a stock cavalier would not beat the asphalt into submission, yet his best time is well into the 14s...just because two cars have the same weight and the same horsepower, it doesn't mean that they are going to run the same times....and your 220 whp claim on the maximas(03 and 04 as you said, which are two completely different cars, by the way) are a bit optimistic, it's closer to 210...Sorry, but I just can't see a supercharged TC lingering somewhere in the 15s...if it does, something definitely isn't right....and you used a stock RSX as comparison to a supercharged TC...that's ridiculous, a supercharged TC would make a lot more horsepower at the low end of the powerband than an RSX with the same horsepower, because we all know that high rpm honda powerplants don't get into their bread and butter part of the powerband until well up in the RPM range...I guess what I'm trying to say is that supercharging that sucker would get you into the 14s.

[TatII]

Originally Posted by street_racer_00

A 40 hp gain in a car that makes only 160 hp is a pretty big gain...the fact that you think a 40 hp gain is nothing is asinine...I would pay a great deal of money for 40 hp if I had the financial means to do so...there is also the chevy cobalt that has been magazine tested(yeah I know, times on paper, but I have no basis for comparison) that have the same amt. of horsepower as the aforementioned redline, yet ran a low 14 second 1/4...for some reason I have a hard time believing that BMW would have a reason to underrate their motors, since their 3-series is not meant for race applications(M3 notwithstanding)...I just think it's not out of the question for a scion to run mid to low 14s with a supercharger...they aren't that slow to begin with, why would it be that pie-in-the-sky to think otherwise? Just look at Jayson's cavalier...we all know that a stock cavalier would not beat the asphalt into submission, yet his best time is well into the 14s...just because two cars have the same weight and the same horsepower, it doesn't mean that they are going to run the same times....and your 220 whp claim on the maximas(03 and 04 as you said, which are two completely different cars, by the way) are a bit optimistic, it's closer to 210...Sorry, but I just can't see a supercharged TC lingering somewhere in the 15s...if it does, something definitely isn't right....and you used a stock RSX as comparison to a supercharged TC...that's ridiculous, a supercharged TC would make a lot more horsepower at the low end of the powerband than an RSX with the same horsepower, because we all know that high rpm honda powerplants don't get into their bread and butter part of the powerband until well up in the RPM range...I guess what I'm trying to say is that supercharging that sucker would get you into the 14s.

again wrong. you say that jayson's cavlier is faster then the rsx becasue you think hes making more power then the rsx type S. wrong. look at jayson's trap speed. he only traps at 91 mph. a stock rsx type S traps at 93 mphs on average. which means the rsx type S still has more hp then jayson's caliver. granted jayson's E.T is very good for that low trap speed becasue he did run a 2.0 or 2.1 on the 60 ft time. however RSX's also also known to dip into the 14's with an excellent driver atleast.

anothe comparisons for comparison's sake, right now i'm in the high 13's you know how much power i need to get to make it into the mid 12 to low 12's? i would need another 130whp to shave around 1.5 seconds off my 1/4 mile time. so why da hell do i need 130 more whp to run a mid to low 12? then that magical TC can shave that much off with only 40 crank hp ( around 35whp? )

doesn't this make any sense to you? and yes my car does need around 350-380whp to run mid to low 12's. again its been done many times. we can also fit 9" wide wheels in the back for better traction so we can take off in the high 1's in the 6ft. so don't even start with that on the scion will do better in the 1/8 mile because hes a FWD and he'll just spin his tires helplessly 1st and 2nd.

also yes you are right to an extent that 40 hp gain on a 160 hp car is pretty big. however i just don't see a 3000 lb 200 hp car lingering around my cars terrortory of speed. i mean hell i might as well sell my car and get a Tc then if i can shave over a second off with only 40 hp. lolz

also i didn't want to bring this up becusae you want to use g-tec times. my car before i turboed it ran a 15.5 a stock 240sx runs a 16.0 so i shaved half a second off with pulley's, intake, advanced timing, no cat,and cat back exhuast. this combo is proven to again 20whp or around 25 crank hp. this means that i had a total hp of 180 and i was a mid 15 second car at best. which is around right comparing that the tc can run a 15.7 with 160 crank hp.

me putting down close to 150whp n/a trim i put down around 100 more whp and guess what? i shaved off around 1.5 seconds to 1.8 seconds off my e.t. ( guessimate ). how da hell is it goin to take me close to 100whp to shave fo that time, when me and that Tc only needs 35whp when we both are at a similar starting point?

please explain this to me? does nissan make crappy cars that only makes power but no go? or is that scion just some magical savior of a import car?

also the times i've seen a cobalt run is low 15's to mid 14's tops. and rememver that colbalt is still making waaaaay more power that a super charged Tc is. remember 200whp > 170whp. also my mistake about confusing the 5th with the 6th gen maxima. i meant to say 02-03 max it was a typo. trust me i know alot about nissans as well. i'm am a fellow nissan fan like you, however i don't live in la la land and i don't believe in every claim that i see from ad's for power. there is no magical 35whp that will shave 1.5 seconds off yoru 1/4 mile unless your car weights under a ton.

you also say just because 2 cars have the same weight and power doesn't mean they're goin to run the same speed, well true to only like .2-.3 max. i've never seen one become almost starting from .5-.7 faster for no reason at all unless it was underrated.

i will try to end this with his last comparison. lets take a look at a toyota mr2 turbo. that car weights 100-200 lbs less then the Tc. now its rated a 200 hp and 200 lbs ft of tq. now the 3SGTE makes the 200lbs ft of tq at a whoopingly low 2500-3000 rpm. so it has crazy crazy low end and good top end from the turbos. also a MR2 turbo from 93+ have wider 225mm wide tires compared tot he 90-02 models which ran 215's. also they hvae a limited slip.

these cars take off at around 5000 rpm with hardly any wheel spin. it quit literally just spins the rear tires twice before the whole car just leaps off the line without any wheel spin nor does the revs drop. so basically the car is jumping off the line close to 30mph. guess what they run stock? they run a 14.7 how da hell is that Tc goin to out run a MR2 which makes just as much low end tq, but can take off almost as hard as a AWD car and still end up running .5 seconds faster then the blown scion?

i have used soooooo many cars in this comparison its not even funny you only manage to use 2. also how about this? a dsm run's a high 14 from the factory, they weight 3000 lbs for a GST. guess how much hp it needs to dip into the high 14's? how about 220hp? again you see? this one needed even more becasue it was a freaking 3000 lb car. while a rsx type S which makes 20 less hp but weights 200 lbs less can do the same thing with a great driver? do you see where i'm coming here? i can pratically name every power to weight ratio and it will turn up with veyr very close numbers, but never off by almost a 1 second. that is ludicris.

[MR2Driver]

TatII, I know i say this alot, but you're the man.

[CassiesMan]

Tats right here. Street_racer_00, using your argument, I should be running a flat 14 once I get this intake.

[street_racer_00]

BMW 328+Jaysons Cavy+acura RSX-S+chevy cobalt+S/C'd TC=2 cars, apparently.