NSX II

[Porsche Carrera]

how about mounting the engine transversely? then have a layout like an evo lancer. just a thought. or look at some of the super deltas' layout. think they have something like what you have in mind.

[ImolaEK]

Originally Posted by Porsche Carrera

mad project! willimo you're at it again, after the i hate model thread. hehe! as for the next nsx, honda axed it and they have no plans to make a second gen s2k either. from what i read and heard from some other enthusiasts.

Ouch

[tonioseven]

I see more Willim Clness on the horizon!!!

[willimo]

I feel like I've been working very hard on it, so I wanted to post progress. Joke's on me, I've not really done anything!



I've built more firewall, it will have to be shaped to match the kit portion (upper) and the hole for the transaxle will have to opened more to fit the furthest forward bit of the gearbox (white bit on the front of the engine.) Also, the bottom rails of the "composite tube frame" are added to the bottom of the firewall. There will be a lot more to this, some subframe assembly, as well as a tube unit that will surround the transmission at the rearmost extent of the existing frame, as well as some uper framing to which I will attach the majority of the suspension gear. I almost have a plan (on the paper) but I'm still playing this by ear mostly.



Here is the motor nestled in about where it will be. I've sanded the putty and plastic disaster that was the seam between Fujimi and Tamiya parts. I am thinking about putting some MR-2 type scoops on the sides, right where the white peice of plastic is between the white NSX and the yellow Modena part. Yay or nay? And where could I source it to cut out some scratch work?

Comments and suggestions encouraged. Especially of the technical variety.

-A word on the motor. The crank is high in the block, and the driveshaft goes through the bottom of the block, above the oil pan, and out the front of the motor. Some clever engineering there, but Honda did it. I'm only building the model!

[bigfrit]

Well you 're gonna have a hard time replicating that thing honda just made.
Atleast you re doing a very good job on it,
as for the scoops, a big YAY, it needs something there, otherwise it might just look a bit blunt.

Oh yeah, and good luck weaving all the engine components together.

Oli

[itrgtr]

Originally Posted by willimo

Not really sure, I've got to do some research. I would look at Porsche layouts, but they seem to put their trannies ahead of the motor, true rear engine. I had a few ideas - one where the driveline runs through the center of the crank (ha!) and one where the driveline runs down past one side of the motor, but the one I seem to settle on has the driveline run over the top of the block, between the heads and between the intake manifolds. Anyone got any technical input on this?

y dont u turn the engine around so the tranny is facing the front. the only problem is, u will have to settle for and engine thats placed farther back.

[blubaja]

Hey,

This is a lamborghini gallardo diagram. They have the engine mounted longitudely, and the trans is in the rear....so odd. http://motortrend.com/roadtests/coup...amb_illo_l.jpg Funky....Good luck. But yea, why not just turn it all around and have the engine facing backwards? Isn't there some old supercar that had its whole drivetrain reversed-somewhat? Good luck man. Looks really interesting.

Frank X.

[Jay!]

I will be watching this.

And you.

Like a hawk.

[mike@af]

Awesome Will, I really love it. What are your plans for the hatchback area that covers the motor? Glass, or scoopy stuff (like the McLarenF1 for example)?

[willimo]

Did a little more rear end and suspension work.



Engine cradle and stuff.



Engine in its cradle, and suspension knuckles in place. See how it works?

Comments enouraged, especially stuff like "that won't work because." I'd like to catch any technical problems before I move on any more.

[mike@af]

Looks good I'd say. Where'd the control arms come from? They dont look like your normal scratchbuilt quality. (EDIT: I meant that your scratchbuilt stuff is better)

Also, from a technical stand point, that wont work because its built out of styrene. While light, its not strong, and easily melts.

[Spirit R]

Interesting project, looking forward to updates.

[ImolaEK]

Originally Posted by GTmike400

Also, from a technical stand point, that wont work because its built out of styrene. While light, its not strong, and easily melts.

Loser, LMAO!

A big yay for the scoops from me also. Would make it look a bit like the Ferrari F355/348 style. Very cool. I have no comments as to what will work or not...I've never really done projects that require that much thinking Keep it up!

[weaponCIVIC]

lets see more pics of the car.i cant decide if i like that hatch or not.

[willimo]

I have a technical dilema.

I'm pretty much decided on AWD for this Honda. Now, the technical question follows as such:

Scenario 1. The V8 is stolen from their (presumed) future motors that will be offered in the Ridgeline, and the SH-AWD is stolen from the current RL. That's the current plan. Very high tech, but with pretty common components.

Scenario B. Alternatively, I could have the car run electronic assist. The V8 powering the car, and generating energy for a traction motor to be nestled into each wheel. Honda has already demonstrated this technology in some concept cars, but the drawback is 1. huge expense to the consumer and 2. incredible sprung weight. This is the plan that Jay is lobbying for, and I find it intriguing to an extent. The huge weight at the end of the suspension arms is a huge turn off, though. Turn ons include red hair, interest in literature....

Scenario III. This third plan is another electronic assist, this plan would place the electric traction motor into the driveline, so that it could apply its torque to all four wheels through the electronic SH-AWD driveline. This would solve the sprung weight issue, would be slighly cheaper, but I am an at utter loss at how I would replicate this in scale. The car is already pretty convincingly balanced for scenario #1, and I wouldn't have anywhere to put the supplemental electric motor unless I put in in the front of the car - and how would that bode with a 3 differential driveline? However, all Honda hybrids already use this sort of layout - the electric motor directly acting on the driveline to distribute the extra torque and power.

Electric assist is very Honda style: high tech, efficient if you use the regenerative braking.... and this could take my planned 450hp gasoline V8 to an easy 500+hp gasoline/electric hybrid driveline. Oh, the trouble of having an imagination, and a lot of respect and faith in a motor company. What a tangled web I weave! Input, please! I would love to hear what you all have to say on the matter.

Oh yeah, and:

Originally Posted by itrgtr

y dont u turn the engine around so the tranny is facing the front. the only problem is, u will have to settle for and engine thats placed farther back.

Originally Posted by blubaja

But yea, why not just turn it all around and have the engine facing backwards? Isn't there some old supercar that had its whole drivetrain reversed-somewhat?

Weight distribution. No way am I putting that heavy motor behind the rear wheels. As low and close to center as possible! Anyone have any idea how the NSX has perfect 50/50 weight distribution and the S2000 is 51/49? Central location of the motor! Honda is very clever about that, and I am not going to buck the trend.