FYI: Cobalt = Cavalier

[88novarules]

Originally Posted by gonenuts15792

Yeah right, V8 powered Sedans, such as the Impala, Monte Carlo, 300C. Not to mention the SUVs, I'd hate to break it to you but I think America has japan beat on HP. Remember the Buick Grand National, I believe that had a Turbo, don't forget SAAB either, they are owned by GM.

Of course a V-8 is going to have more power stock, the v-8 has a higher displacement. I'm saying though if you take a look at the number of cylenders and the liters japaneese cars have a superior ratio. Also there are numerous turbo cars. All I am saying is that american cars have disapointed me quite a bit. for I have owned a few. My parents own japaneese cars and they have lasted longer than the american cars. If somone is biased based upon the fact that the car isnt made in america they need to look at the big picture. Buy a car based on performance and reliabilty and not on who manufactured it. Looks are pretty important as well.

[speed05]

Originally Posted by gonenuts15792

Is the review of the Cobalt in the Current Issue? The one with the CTS-V, 300C SRT8, and GTO on the cover?

Yes it is

[gonenuts15792]

Originally Posted by 88novarules

Of course a V-8 is going to have more power stock, the v-8 has a higher displacement. I'm saying though if you take a look at the number of cylenders and the liters japaneese cars have a superior ratio. Also there are numerous turbo cars. All I am saying is that american cars have disapointed me quite a bit. for I have owned a few. My parents own japaneese cars and they have lasted longer than the american cars. If somone is biased based upon the fact that the car isnt made in america they need to look at the big picture. Buy a car based on performance and reliabilty and not on who manufactured it. Looks are pretty important as well.

What can I say, I like GM, I've never had a major problem with any GM car, they have never left me stranded, and I've never had to put a lot of money into them. Right now I have a Buick Park Avenue with 210,000 miles on it, only have had to replace the water pump. On the other hand my friend had a Honda Civic, and that thing gave her such a hard time, ended up not being able to drive it because it burned oil so bad, and shook so bad, only 120,000 miles.

[88novarules]

Originally Posted by gonenuts15792

What can I say, I like GM, I've never had a major problem with any GM car, they have never left me stranded, and I've never had to put a lot of money into them. Right now I have a Buick Park Avenue with 210,000 miles on it, only have had to replace the water pump. On the other hand my friend had a Honda Civic, and that thing gave her such a hard time, ended up not being able to drive it because it burned oil so bad, and shook so bad, only 120,000 miles.

Alot of it has to do with the expereance the person has with the car. If they have problems with a particular brand or from which country but they love another they become extremly biased. Thats how it goes. One car company I know for a fact a company that sucks is ford. Our family has had an exploder and a grand marquee and they were money hogs. GM I'm sure has good cars but thier style seems dated to me. While japaneese cars were more stream lined in the late 80's early 90's american car manufatures still had very boxy cars. In the late 90's they became more curvy. Also the interior of japannese cars were fairly advanced for the day. American car manufactures are now cetching up. Also don't buy a jag, they are owned by ford and I think that some of thier cars are built on taurus chasis.



Also with the friend with the civic, the main question is did she regularly change the oil, drive it hard, have the lower end hp engine, there are more factors than it was a civic. The same goes for japaneese cars and american cars. Truly I like japaneese cars more, but I'm not going to call you an idiot for liking american cars. Plus my favorite car is the 69 camaro ss. second is 67-68 ford mustand.

[gonenuts15792]

Originally Posted by 88novarules

Alot of it has to do with the expereance the person has with the car. If they have problems with a particular brand or from which country but they love another they become extremly biased. Thats how it goes. One car company I know for a fact a company that sucks is ford. Our family has had an exploder and a grand marquee and they were money hogs. GM I'm sure has good cars but thier style seems dated to me. While japaneese cars were more stream lined in the late 80's early 90's american car manufatures still had very boxy cars. In the late 90's they became more curvy. Also the interior of japannese cars were fairly advanced for the day. American car manufactures are now cetching up. Also don't buy a jag, they are owned by fored and I think that some of thier cars are built on tarus chasis.

OH and the SCION XB isn't boxy, now GM is building sleek sexy cars, and still people bitch. Same thing with the SCION XB and the SATURN ION, both have a centered mounted speedo. The SCION's is revolutionary, while the Saturns is a stupid idea. People are idiots. People criticised the Aztek for its looks, but the SCION XB is worse, and don't even get me started on the Honda Ridgeline, the interior in that thing looks like a GM truck interior in 1995, and the Aztek looks like a corvette next to that thing. But yet because it has a "H" on the front of it it will still sell and people will still say the interior is way ahead on everyone else. Its build on a minivan chassis for fuck sake.

[SniperX13]

I just wish they would have chosen a better platform for the cobalt, instead of the "D" platform of the Saturn Ion....

[88novarules]

Originally Posted by gonenuts15792

OH and the SCION XB isn't boxy, now GM is building sleek sexy cars, and still people bitch. Same thing with the SCION XB and the SATURN ION, both have a centered mounted speedo. The SCION's is revolutionary, while the Saturns is a stupid idea. People are idiots. People criticised the Aztek for its looks, but the SCION XB is worse, and don't even get me started on the Honda Ridgeline, the interior in that thing looks like a GM truck interior in 1995, and the Aztek looks like a corvette next to that thing. But yet because it has a "H" on the front of it it will still sell and people will still say the interior is way ahead on everyone else. Its build on a minivan chassis for fuck sake.

Actualy I totaly think the scion is ugly, I don't even think it exists in japan. I think it was one of those american things. I like honda cars, not the trucks or suvs. If I were going to get a truck or suv it would probably be 98 chevy 1500 short bed. Probably get the v6 to swap out a 350 bored over to a 383 stroker with a edelbrock performer manifold and a daemon carb. Hoping to push 400hp with 423 torque. If torque isnt your thing always get the lighter fly wheel. Ahh yes a turbo 400 tranny with shift kit.

[88novarules]

Originally Posted by SniperX13

I just wish they would have chosen a better platform for the cobalt, instead of the "D" platform of the Saturn Ion....

The coupe is far better than the sedan in my opinion in looks. It was about time they retired the old cavalier series though. People just thought of cavalier as low end junk. Look at the resale value on those things they suck. Bud saturn thing, built on the redline... I'm not sure what to say about that.

[gonenuts15792]

Originally Posted by SniperX13

I just wish they would have chosen a better platform for the cobalt, instead of the "D" platform of the Saturn Ion....

Actually that platform is a solid performer and a very good platform, its just Saturn didn't know what to do with it. When you build the car right its a very nice very capapble platform.

[SniperX13]

^^^ I guess time will tell then.

[chris15706]

Screw imports!!! They are made small because people from japan are small. J/k. I guess whatever spanks your monkey. I personally like american made vehicles for looks. I also like to keep my money in america too. You dont see that many people in other countries buying vehicles from us. I have heard different stories on how an american or import will last longer. I think you get what you pay for. It also depends on how well you maintain a vehicle. You can keep any vehicle for a very long time if you take care of it. I had an 89 camaro with 230,000 miles on it with the original motor. It ran fine and i finally sold it when i got to college. Now i have a 2000 s-10 with 86000 miles on it and its a peice of shit because i take it through the mud...

[88novarules]

Originally Posted by chris15706

Screw imports!!! They are made small because people from japan are small. J/k. I guess whatever spanks your monkey. I personally like american made vehicles for looks. I also like to keep my money in america too. You dont see that many people in other countries buying vehicles from us. I have heard different stories on how an american or import will last longer. I think you get what you pay for. It also depends on how well you maintain a vehicle. You can keep any vehicle for a very long time if you take care of it. I had an 89 camaro with 230,000 miles on it with the original motor. It ran fine and i finally sold it when i got to college. Now i have a 2000 s-10 with 86000 miles on it and its a peice of shit because i take it through the mud...

Honestly it comes down to how well you take care of it, but there are some vehicles that are crap from the factory doors, but this happenes to all car companies. My opinion is how well you like a car. I like japaneese cars because the amount of hp they can produce from such a small engine. This is impresive to me. Still nissan is my favorite car company. The datsun 240/260/280z is by far the hotest japaneese car. Especially when you drop a 350 in one.

[noshun]

Originally Posted by 88novarules

Honestly it comes down to how well you take care of it, but there are some vehicles that are crap from the factory doors, but this happenes to all car companies. My opinion is how well you like a car. I like japaneese cars because the amount of hp they can produce from such a small engine. This is impresive to me. Still nissan is my favorite car company. The datsun 240/260/280z is by far the hotest japaneese car. Especially when you drop a 350 in one.

The chevy Aveo is actually a re-badged Korean Made Daewoo Kalos. It was just rebadged as Daewoo was dying and apparently went bust! It's still going everywhere else in the world until it becomes chevrolet there too. This was just to see a CRAP IMPORT to people who couldn't see that it was that. It has been around for about 4 years in europe and sales are low. They stick a couple bowties on it and and name it after a Chevy they only sold in Latin America based on the Opel/Vauxhall Corsa from europe, up the price (you'd be surprised how much!!) and look what happened! There's millions of the little POSs running around! one case of domestic branding winning over import. You may say Daewoo were shit and they were but so is the Aveo and Hyundai are also from Korea and share many components with the Daewoos, however the Hyundai receive good reviews!!! Errmm....
As for the Cobalt being a Cavalier, This isn't true. It is a replacement for the Cavalier based on an all new platform that is better then the cavalier's. It is like saying that the Ford Cougar IS a Ford Probe. I think not although it replaced it and the Probe replaced the Capri (not Mercury and all beit a few years hence)! So this doesn't really ring true. It's a replacement for the Cavalier and is improved but it's not a Cavalier. The 1st gen cav is different from the 3rd gen completely but they just share the namesake as it was a popular vehicle and when things lose their appeal they get remarketed, a la Chevy Aveo!

['97ventureowner]

There was an article in our local paper's Automotive section last week that shed a little light on the debate whether or not the new Cobalt is a replacement for the Cavilier. The quick answer is " not directly." The Cavilier served a duo purpose. It was a vehicle for people who needed a car but didn't have a lot of money, and it was a vehicle for people who wanted some performance but they too didn't have a lot of funds to buy some of the other models in GM's lineup. It was supposed to satisfy both car owner's needs. When GM replaced the Cavilier, it looked to Daewoo of Korea for a replacement for those who wanted a economy based, low priced vehicle, hence the Aveo. The Cobalt is supposed to serve the needs of those who desire a sportier, higher performance car and can spend a little more than the owners who purchased the Aveo. The article went on to tell about the different versions of the Cobalt available, and that a "naturally aspirated" version of the SS would be made available later this year. So it would be safe to say that the Cobalt is a replacement for those who want a sportier, higher performance car and can spend a little more for it, that probably would have bought a Cavilier.

[88novarules]

Originally Posted by '97ventureowner

There was an article in our local paper's Automotive section last week that shed a little light on the debate whether or not the new Cobalt is a replacement for the Cavilier. The quick answer is " not directly." The Cavilier served a duo purpose. It was a vehicle for people who needed a car but didn't have a lot of money, and it was a vehicle for people who wanted some performance but they too didn't have a lot of funds to buy some of the other models in GM's lineup. It was supposed to satisfy both car owner's needs. When GM replaced the Cavilier, it looked to Daewoo of Korea for a replacement for those who wanted a economy based, low priced vehicle, hence the Aveo. The Cobalt is supposed to serve the needs of those who desire a sportier, higher performance car and can spend a little more than the owners who purchased the Aveo. The article went on to tell about the different versions of the Cobalt available, and that a "naturally aspirated" version of the SS would be made available later this year. So it would be safe to say that the Cobalt is a replacement for those who want a sportier, higher performance car and can spend a little more for it, that probably would have bought a Cavilier.

The cobalt is actualy based ona differnt GM car. It is based off the Saturn ion redline... As for replacement for the cavalier. Sorta... It resembles it alot and has a similar price range but with better dynamics and a higher cost. Although for the price I would rather have a civic. Civic have retarded resale value, and everyone knows that cavaliers have really bad resale value. And if people mistaken a cobalt for a cavalier the resale of a cobalt may be similar and be crap.