civic 92-95 and 96-00 comparison

[CrzyMR2T]

Originally Posted by GScivic7

no, you could answer these questions yourself by doing a little searching. www.google.com no one is going to come in here and post every single spec on these two cars when you can search for the damn thing yourself.

ok, im not expecting every single damn thing to be answered. i could look it up on my own, but i was hoping someone would have the info on hand. the forum is used to ask questions like this anyway.

[GScivic7]

you asked for how they are different, do you have any idea how broad of a question that is. Maybe if you had some specific questions they would be answered. Why don't you tell me how 1st gen and 2nd gen MR2s differ then besides bodystyle.

[eckoman_pdx]

Let's all call down try and get along here. Remember we're here to help out and share information. It can see how people think it is a rather broad question. Most likely they want to know what exact differences are you looking for. Interior? Motor? You mentioned you wanted to know differences besides exterior looks, so here's a start.

Well, for starters, the 5th gens (92-95) are going to be OBD-I of course. The 6th gens (96-00) will be OBD-II (96-98 OBD-IIA and 99-00 is OBD-IIB). Also, if you are swapping a motor into the civic, the motor you swap in must be the same year as and vehicle chassis or newer. You can't put a 94 OBD-I GSR motor in a 99EX for example. It's prefectly legel in a 92-95 though. A 92-95 will have more options than a 96+ in this regard.

Also, on exterior, within the 6th gens, the 96-98 and the 99-00 civic's have slightly different front ends. If you take a closer look, you'll see the headlights are different between 96-98 and 99-00.

The 5th gen CX had a very weak sohc 8valve motor. It had the weakest of the 5th or 6th gen civic motors by far. The VX had a 92hp and 97 lb-ft of torque motor. It had vtec, but this was mostly for emissions and fuel efficency. These 2 are some of the lightest of any of the 5th or 6th gens, so it makes a good base for a little drag car once the motor is swapped. The basic DX & LX 5th gen motor is a sohc 1.5 liter D15B7. It had 102hp@5900rpm and 98lb-ft of torque@5500rpm. The Basic 6th gen CX, DX and LX motor is a sohc 1.6 liter D16Y7. Max hp was 106hp@6200rpm and max torque 103lb-ft@4600rpm. The 6th gen HX had 115hp & 104lb-ft of torque.

The 5th gen EX (and 5th gen Si hatchback) had a sohc 1.6 liter vtec D16Z6 motor. It had 125hp@6600rpm and 106lb-ft of torque@5200 rpm. The EX 6th gen civic had a vtec D16Y8 motor. It had 127hp @6600rpm and 107lb-ft of [email protected] 99-00 Si coupe had a 160hp/111lb-ft of torque B16A . Max hp was @ 7600 rpm, max torque @ 7000rpm.

From 92-95, EX and LX had an option for ABS. If they had ABS they had 4 wheel disc brakes, it they didn't they had rear drums. The Si hatch also had 4 wheel disc brakes. The 99-00 Si coupe had 4 wheel discs.

Of course there are more differences, but these basic ones are enough to get you started.

[CrzyMR2T]

Originally Posted by GScivic7

you asked for how they are different, do you have any idea how broad of a question that is. Maybe if you had some specific questions they would be answered. Why don't you tell me how 1st gen and 2nd gen MR2s differ then besides bodystyle.

really? sarcasm*

i actually made the question broad on purpose, so i can get any info i can on these cars, as in anything that matter performance wise. if you look in my other posts, i mentioned things like steering ratio, chassis, wheelbase, and things that are usually measured on cars, to give people an idea of what im looking for.

i dont expect every single thing to be answered alright, just any info anyone can give me on here.

[eckoman_pdx]

Alright now. We're here to help and share knowledge, not argue and bicker so let's stay on track.

CrzyMR2T, I gave you some information in my above post about the stock performance of the various cars. If you want more information, edmunds is a decent source.

http://www.edmunds.com/used/honda/in...tent..0.Honda*

From this page you can choose what year of honda you are wanting to look at. From there you can choose which model (civic, accord, etc) and trim line (coupe DX, sedan EX, etc) you want info on. Once you choose, the page has all sorts of links to information you might find helpful.

Here's a link to the 93 EX coupe to get you started.
http://www.edmunds.com/used/1993/hon....num4.1.honda*

[~ls/vtec~]

a 94-95 gsr motor plugs into a 92-95 hatch.

[CrzyMR2T]

so the 92-00 civic and 94-00 integra have a very similar chassis right? what about the suspension, any changes in geometry there? like on the 88-91 crx, the rear suspension is different between the 88-89 and 90-91, and the newer one is said to have a more stable handling. so i wanna know if any of you heard anything like this on the 92-00 civic yrs.

so if i wanted to swap a integra gsr motor in a 96-00 civic, id have to go with a 96-00 obdII integra motor right?

what engine would you recommend for going n/a for a 92-00 honda civic?

for those of you who has done a gsr swap, how much did you spend total, including every single little thing you can think of? i would expect to pay around 3500-4000 for everything, engine, labor, and whatever else there is.

[eckoman_pdx]

Originally Posted by CrzyMR2T

so the 92-00 civic and 94-00 integra have a very similar chassis right? what about the suspension, any changes in geometry there? like on the 88-91 crx, the rear suspension is different between the 88-89 and 90-91, and the newer one is said to have a more stable handling. so i wanna know if any of you heard anything like this on the 92-00 civic yrs.

so if i wanted to swap a integra gsr motor in a 96-00 civic, id have to go with a 96-00 obdII integra motor right?

what engine would you recommend for going n/a for a 92-00 honda civic?

for those of you who has done a gsr swap, how much did you spend total, including every single little thing you can think of? i would expect to pay around 3500-4000 for everything, engine, labor, and whatever else there is.

92-00 civics all have a true double wishbone suspension. As for swaps, the motor you swap in has rto be the same year of newer than the chassis of the vehilce. So if you had a 94 civic you could swap in any motor that is 1994 or newer. It would be easiest to swap in an OBD-I motor. If you swap in an OBD-II motor, like an OBD-IIa motor from a 96 GSR, backdating the electronics is the easiest way to pull off the swap (installing a 94-95 GSR ecu). If you had a 96 Civic, yes, the motor would have to be 96 or newer. Since the 96 Civic is OBD-II (techincally OBD-IIa) the motor has to be OBD-II also (96+). Swapping in a 94 B18C1 isn't legel in this case. Any 96+ motor would be legel though. The B18C1 is a popular motor to choose if you are going N/A. I prefer this over the B16A due to the fact it has more torque. Speaking of torque, another popular N/A motor is an "LS/Vtec." This is were you have a B18B1 block and put an vtec head from a B16A, GSR (B18C1) or type-r on it). It will typically put out more torque than a standard GSR, and at a lower rpm too. It's not very hard to extract extra hp from an LS/Vtec. However, "frankenstein" motors arn't for everyone.

The type-r is the best N/A motor out of the box. However, it is also more spendy, and some people feel it's not worth the extra cost. Though the Type-R definatly is a more powerful motor out of the box, some feel a GSR, LS/Vtec, etc are a better base for N/A All Type-R trannys however came with a limited slip. A limit slip was also an option on some JDM B16A and B18C SiR motors (you have to pay extra for the LSD tranny though if you buy a jdm swap). As for pricing, I've seen labor prices differ a lot between places. I've seen it as high as $1200 for labor and as low as $500-600 for labor. Make sure who you choose does good work though, don't have a hack do it just because he costs less. $4000 should definatly get you a GSR swap installed.

[CrzyMR2T]

i heard that there were issues with the ls/vtec swap, that its not as reliable or something? or that it doesnt work as good as the gsr engine? also, i read that the type r motor would be a better deal, ive read 5000-7500 for engine and labor. like if you wanted to make a gsr motor to type r spec, the difference in cost wouldnt be near enough to make the gsr perform like the type r. ive seen gsr integras with i/h/e do 14.8s though, and thats about how quick a type r is, isnt it?

[CrzyMR2T]

could someone post the steering ratio for the 92-00 civic, and the 94-00 integra?

is the double wishbone suspension on the 92-95 and 96-00 the same? how about compared to the 94-00 integra? like i know the 88-91 crx had its supsension revised for the 90-91 yr for better stability. kinda like how honda revised the suspension on the s2000, on the newer yr with the 2.2 liter motor, and my mr2, they revised its rear suspension in 93, because the earlier ones would snap oversteer too much. its rear suspension would toe out a lot upon decompression.

[~ls/vtec~]

Originally Posted by CrzyMR2T

i heard that there were issues with the ls/vtec swap, that its not as reliable or something? or that it doesnt work as good as the gsr engine? also, i read that the type r motor would be a better deal, ive read 5000-7500 for engine and labor. like if you wanted to make a gsr motor to type r spec, the difference in cost wouldnt be near enough to make the gsr perform like the type r. ive seen gsr integras with i/h/e do 14.8s though, and thats about how quick a type r is, isnt it?

ls vtecs are reliable if u take care of them and if theyre properly built. and ive never seen a gsr with i/h/e hitting any 14's unless its shooting nos. type r's run all kinds of 14's depending on mods and drivers. and an ls vtec is easily comparable to a type r. i know i owned one.

[Shaguar47]

Originally Posted by eckoman_pdx

92-00 civics all have a true double wishbone suspension.

I thought it was 88-00 civic's? Or am I missing something here.

[GScivic7]

Originally Posted by Shaguar47

I thought it was 88-00 civic's? Or am I missing something here.

lol...maybe your car and my old car had an invisible rear beam semi-independent suspension

[eckoman_pdx]

Originally Posted by Shaguar47

I thought it was 88-00 civic's? Or am I missing something here.

Originally Posted by GScivic7

lol...maybe your car and my old car had an invisible rear beam semi-independent suspension

I did not mention 88-91 civics’ due to the fact he only asked about comparing 92-95's and 96-00 civics...hence the all 92-00 comment. I was staying relevant to only what he asked.

[Top_Shelf]

Its called search!!!

get the eg if you want to be light and be fast (n/a)

get ek if you want good looks and a way better interior!

and get a hatch, cause they own!

I would suggest a crx though, ULTRA light and you get the jdm front end, and they don't look half bad. lots of fabrication with crx though...