support the Marine acused of murder

[taranaki]

Originally Posted by TexasF355F1

Considering that his buddy was killed two days before in a similar incident where a suspected terrorist blew himself up. Then the marine being injured the prior day from a similar incident and then seeing the possibility of it happening again he did what he was trained to do. He felt his life could be in danger and the guy may blow himself up as had happened previously. I support the marine he did nothing wrong.

That is the justification that has been formulated by the pro-war lobby....Do you have any evidence to back it up?

[Flatrater]

Originally Posted by taranaki

That is the justification that has been formulated by the pro-war lobby....Do you have any evidence to back it up?

Do you have any evidence to back your opnion up?

I signed it, I can't say I would of done anything differently. If they played by the same rules as the Americans then it was uncalled for but when they put bombs under dead terrorists, kill their own kind its to be expected.

[Neutrino]

There is one problem with "he shot him because he though he was boobytrapped" argument: He got close to him. You don't get close to someone who might have a a bomb since that would be suicide. So that argument would work only if he would've shot him from a distance.

[thegladhatter]

Originally Posted by 2strokebloke

Yes, the enemy is always the most dangerous when he's too weak to be able to do anything at all.
The stupid get no support from me.

What would we do if everybody who was charged with murder just said "I didn't know he wasn't the guy I wanted to kill. I wanted kill somebody else, this was just an accident." Should we let them go, because everybody makes mistakes every now and then?

There is a pretty big difference between just murdering somebody and somebody being a victim in a war.

[taranaki]

Originally Posted by thegladhatter

There is a pretty big difference between just murdering somebody and somebody being a victim in a war.

Exactly.If you die in a firefight,you are a victim of war.
If you are shot twice in the head while laying on the ground and showing no sign of threat,you are murdered.

[thegladhatter]

okay

[Rbraczyk]

You know what my answer is. What the soldier did was wrong. The insurgent hid with those bodies to try and escape. So that means that he did not want to die, so the bodies he hid near probably were not booby trapped, or if they were, he would have disarmed them. The soldier could have easily arrested him. Life inprisonment I say.

[2strokebloke]

I don't see how our guys manage to think straight in such a harsh environment, but they do. They should be applauded not charged.

Yes, everybody who kills men who are barely capable of breathing and are waiting for medical help should recieve a standing ovation.
Everybody who decides to throw away common sense and rational thought in the face of no apparent danger deserves much respect!
That you believe the soldier was "thinking straight" says alot about your thinking.

He felt his life could be in danger and the guy may blow himself up as had happened previously.

So he walked up to him at point blank range, so he could get himself out of harms way... I see we have some more "straight" thinking going on here. "hey that guy may be boobytrapped with explosives which could harm us if we were close to him, let's walk up real close to him so we're not in danger" That argument makes alot of sense.

[codycool]

Originally Posted by Neutrino

There is one problem with "he shot him because he though he was boobytrapped" argument: He got close to him. You don't get close to someone who might have a a bomb since that would be suicide. So that argument would work only if he would've shot him from a distance.

Who here has been in combat? The marine shot him because he was faking his death. Now you can think about this two ways. 1.) The insurgent was faking his death so he could get away. Which in my opinion is unlikley since he knows that the Americans have the best medical support anywhere, and the rest of the town is crawling with marines. 2.)He is faking his death so the marines will be careless around him which gives him a chance to attack. This is more reasonable since it has happened more than once during the fallujah take over. And if he wanted to give up why not put his hands in the air?

When I went to Iraq I told myself that I wasnt going to die because I was worried about making a mistake.

And as for neutrino-The marine was already in the room before he knew their were insurgents lying on the floor. As soon as he saw the insurgent move he yelled twice then shot him in the head (a good double tap i might add!) So how could he shoot him from a distance when they are doing room to room fighting? And in my opinion the marine did not shoot him becuase he thought he was booby trapped. He shot him because he was moving and could still inflict harm on him and his fellow marines I.E. grenade, explosive!

Anyways, nobody could possibly know what they would do in that situation. Not even a combat experienced person like myself.

[thegladhatter]

Originally Posted by codycool

Anyways, nobody could possibly know what they would do in that situation. Not even a combat experienced person like myself.

I don't know... a lot of losers seem to think they know EVERYTHING!!

[ToyTundra]

Originally Posted by 2strokebloke

Yes, everybody who kills men who are barely capable of breathing and are waiting for medical help should recieve a standing ovation.
Everybody who decides to throw away common sense and rational thought in the face of no apparent danger deserves much respect!
That you believe the soldier was "thinking straight" says alot about your thinking.

Some reality show should send everyday people into Iraq with a U.S. uniform and an M4A1 to see how they do in a similar situation. I/m sure they would manage to kill a civilain or even worse a friendly.

Our guys are doing the impossible, but when they make one mistake they are attacked as if their error was as simple as 2+2=3.

I've never been in a real combat situation. I've only played airsoft where the penalty for loosing is laying in the sun for 15 minutes, then walking back to the trucks to get some water. Even in a game which is a million times less sress full everyone makes similar mistakes

[taranaki]

Originally Posted by thegladhatter

I don't know... a lot of losers seem to think they know EVERYTHING!!

indeed.

[Thourun]

From what I know about the crime, If he ends up being found guilty by whatever millitary court he's tried by he should be given 25-life with parole and lots of time with a shrink. If he infact was searching a building that had been bombarded or something with dead 'insurgents' all over and the dude moved suspiciously then yea I can see him shooting. If it wasn't a building that had 'insurgents' in it with 100% certanty then string him up for killing somone who he couldent have known was a regular innocent person. Don't tell me that he was just protecting himself or any other soldiers because they all know they are there for the greater good and they know their lives are at risk to protect the greater good eg. innocent people... that is why we're there right? Liberation?

[MagicRat]

The actions of this marine are a symptom of a larger problem. This war is an unwinnable mess. There is no way that troops should be used as 'policemen' to keep the peace in an extremely dangerous environment. There is no way they must be forced to make a split decision about who is an innocent civilian and who is an 'enemy combatant' when they all look and behave the same.

If the US wants to continue this disgraceful mess, do not engage in the hypocracy of putting your troops on trial. If they believe this marine is a murderer, then they should be consistent in their logic and get all the troops out.

[DGB454]

Originally Posted by Raz_Kaz

lol, ran out of logical arguments so resort to name-calling.


that's very mature of you.

Thanks.

Actually that is called sarcasim.

But if you want arguements then I don't mind indulging.

The man the Marine killed most likely killed his share of this marines fellow soldiers or at the very least tried to. Should I feel bad for this guy? You give me a reason. This "militant" or whatever you want to call him ( I call him a radical mulsim extremest) was clearly this marines enemy. This marine was shot just days before. This marine was in a hostile country (and I don't give a crap why he was there so don't start on that)surrounded by hostile people who would do the same or worse to him given half a chance. Should I feel bad for this radical? Give me a reason. Should this marine be courtmarshled? This marine should be released from duty. His job is done.