S14 VS Camaro SS

[GT500916]

Originally Posted by publicenemy137

nope not the 3.8 liter, maybe the 3.4. 3.8 F-bodies get 15.4 sec 1/4 mile stock. 240s get like 16s stock.

And GT500 can you resize your sig? That thing is huge

haha will do, when i get home from work...

Plus im sure mine does low mid 15s right now, cause i feel the power increase after i did all the mods i have... so i know i would have smoked a V6

Dudes the V6 is not even a question i think i know my cars lol, i do have a 67 stang and put a 91 V8 in there so if i dont know what a V8 sounds like i should just quit working on cars lol...

The thread is about me racing an SS ofcourse i lost, but i put up a good fight... and had to represent the Imports... and had to reasure him that he wasnt racing some civic or something

[SHIFT_KA24DE]

damn u got some guts to even try against a SS. i give you an A+ for effort tho. haha. i'm liking the 'clean look' on your 240. keep it up.

ps.. you could race any N/A RX7 FC3S's... you'd kill them even if it was stock. trust me, i know~

[SR20DETpower]

I think the 98+ v6 camaros are even faster then mid 15's.... they run way more power and torque then a KA24de..... I just don't get some of these stories... how can people think their car is as fast as another car that has 50-100 more horsepower? that shit makes a difference

and sorry mark your 250rwhp SR20 won't pull on a 300rwhp stock LS1, maybe from a stop if you had wider tires and a LSD and actually knew how to launch a car the weight difference would come into effect but from a roll that initial torque is going to pull you a good half a car length and I don't see you gaining on em. LS1 are fucking BEASTS on the top end.250hp is 250hp, 300hp is 300hp.... Factor in the 500 pound weight advantage and its close, factor in the camaros sr20 ass raping torque and he just walks you... Id put money on it, god forbid the LS1 had I/H/E he would run away from you on the top end. When hes making 360lbs of torque to your 240lbs of torque hes going to be accelerating at a faster rate. How come the import crowd seems to forget about torque numbers? they are the ones that really matter.......

I've seen LS1 take on faster cars then bolt on sr20'd 240sx's..... that shit isn't really that fast in the grand scheme of things, if u had 400rwhp id be rooting for you but I just don't see a 250rwhp sr20 walking a LS1 on the top end. Especially if its an auto camaro

you don't have any experience to know about high performance high displacement engines... they fucking own a lil 2 liter 4 banger on the top end, they launch great but if the 240 has traction its weight difference can help in the first couple gears

and lets not forget we are talking about an engine swapped 240sx with bolt ons versus a stock camaro, why don't you let the camaro get a few bolt ons too and race, should open your eyes to the drag racing world....

all I gots to say is call me up when you hear about little displacement import engines in the 4's.........

face the facts displacement owns straight line racing... there is no other way around it, this isn't fantasy land, its the damn truth

and lets face the facts, the 240sx chassis owns the camaro's chassis hands down... put the ls1 makes the sr20 its bitch. Some are 305-350hp stock against a 205-250hp stock engine.


bow down to the 625hp LT-1, 2500 spent on parts to rebuild the engine.... Pistons, Rods, Discounted Cam, Free Lifters, Discounted Rockers, ported heads, electric water pump, intake manifold porting, NOS. you can barely buy a stock sr20det clip for that shit, welcome to the world of v8's cough fast cars....

build a 625hp SR20 for 2500 bucks, can't be done, a good manifold and turbo would almost cost that much alone. I dunno I just like going fast sometimes

[sidewayzS13]

if the ss ran high 13's a turbo ka could take it maybe but since it is apparently low then no it cant i have a friend w/ a turbo ka and the only upgrade it exhaust and fmic and he ran a 13.8 on the worst tires of all time

[S13wanabe]

OK, I need to clear some things up for all of you. I used to be a muscle head, Chevy is my favorite company. My dad is also still a die hard Chevy muscle head. The SS Camaros ran 13.6 in all stock trim. That was the specs that all the magazines that tested it gave. At the track they ran from 13.5 - 13.8 in completely stock trim. That includes the stock tires. The problem with the Camaro is traction off the line. They have a lot of torque and tend to burn out too much. With simple drag radials they run low 13's. That's 13.0 - 13.4 depending on drag radials or just good tires. Good tires make a big difference in those cars. Most guys don't do much to those cars besides tires. They do have a ood top end but the weight plays a big part. I'm personally not sure who I would put money on in a freeway race, it would come down to who had better aerodynamics. And I'm not sure who does. But remember, hp makes you go fast once you're moving, torque gets you moving. They both matter at high speeds but hp, weight, and aerodynamics mean a lot more. My Nismo, I would put my money on you versus a stock SS with stock tires. Freeway I don't know.

[mynismo]

sr20 stop talking about all your chevy crap. its making me sick and has nothing to do with this thread.


look at my 1/4mi times, and look at an ss's. then look at the traps. i'd win. im not making this up... there's no reason why i would. i've raced an ss before on the hiway with three people in my car and we took about a car on it.

it depends what year ss you are talking about... i believe in 01 they changed things around and they are quite a bit faster than an turbo 240.

[SR20DETpower]

someone I know ran a 12.87 @ 107 stock with a 2001 firebird


thats stock man, pretty damn fast for a sub 30k car..... heres the thing people who drive decent nail off 13.1 and lower times pretty good with stock ls1's... someone who can't drive too good usually runs 13.3+, especially the 6 speeds. It is probably one of the best weapons for street racing stock for stock and has a hell of an aftermarket

yes the speeds of a ls1 camaro are on topic for this thread:
240sx vs Camaro SS

[AWDSR20]

dude.... to allll!!!! SS camaros are fast.....FAST FAST FAST FAST, i think my car is fast (really its had allot of bolt ons, T28 ...etc) me vs a SS....well

the 1st time i ran it on the track.... he launched bad and smoked allot, i was ok...then he got me in the top of 3rd.
the second time he ...welll......just killed me, from teh start till the end. my car (about 260hp?) his (430 hp) he said its lightlly tuned!!! yeah there fast , as much as i love imports...domestic rulz the 1/4 mile!

;(

[SR20DETpower]

see this guy has the right idea

your all going off the map here, your trying to do straightline racing on the streets and dragstrips with low displacement engines, it is not ideal....

sr20 good motor for autocross or a road course/drifting....

LS1 good motor for going fast

[S13wanabe]

Sorry but I really don't think a 12.87 is possible with a stock Firebird. The 2001 had a max hp of 325hp (crank). That was the top of the line model that was rare. There is no way it was stock. If he told you that, then he lied. The Corvette has 350hp and 350tq, is lighter than the Firebird and Camaro, was much wider wheels and tires, and it runs a 13.0 - 13.2 in stock trim. The Z06 Corvette runs a 12.6. That has 405hp and 400tq. The new Corvette runs a 12.7 - 12.8 and has 400hp and 400tq. I gave times, and they are right. Quit bullshitting or don't believe the guys driving those cars. Most of the time they lie anyways because they want to try and compete with the prices we pay. The SS is a $32,000 car. The cheapest Ive seen one new is $28,000. For much less money than that I can have a 10 second Honda Civic easily.

[SR20DETpower]

would it matter if I said i've seen it personally? lol

also in 2001+ some LS1 engines are LS6 blocks and produce more power, which is probably the case here... its easily possible man go check out some f body forums and find out for yourself and the corvette is 50 lbs lighter then a camaro, not really that much of a difference when u factor in driver weight, fuel amount, etc.... Also some f bodies come from the factory with some wide tires....

sure you could build a 10 second honda... but it will require constant maintenace, be breaking axels and transissions left and right, and your engine will need rebuilds at a wallet draining rate....

then for 28k you could have a 13.0 give or take second car with stock reliability.... im not saying it will not ever break anything, but the durability of honda parts and 10 second passes is far more irrational. And i never have but I would bet monet on it, that you can barely drive a 10 second honda on the street safely, i see quite a few c5 vettes and ls1 camaros at moroso dragstrip on test and tune running 11's or 10's on radials and driving home that night and to work the next morning.

[Tims_240]

actually my mom had a '02 firebird v-8 6 speed, f-in fast

[S13wanabe]

Remember I started as a muscle head. I know and love those cars. F-bodies do have wide tires but not like the Corvette. Trust me, if he ran a 12.87, he was not completely stock. The WS6 was the highest powered Firebird, with 325hp. I know muscle cars. I'm even a Chevy guy. I go to drags all the time. My friend owns a 2001 z-28. My dream car is a ZO6. I love the cars, I just know exactly how they perform. And no, the motor on a 10 second Honda would need new piston rings about every 25,000 to 30,000 miles, not a big deal if you do the work. It's easy to do, takes time though, and is cheap. Hone the block, and add new rings. Easy to drive on the streets, put on street tires and run low boost.

[AWDSR20]

uhhhhh s13wanabe.... i don't know..... HONDA vs SS or musle cars, i have to agree with sr20power, the honda will have problmz. the ss is stock and the honda is moded. (i never owed any of them so i can only speculate that the moded honda after a 10sec run will have problmz)

[S13wanabe]

My friend pushes over 500hp in his b18. He does exactly what I said. His motor never has problems. Plus it takes quite a bit of mods to make a V8 run 10's. If we want to talk about 12 second cars it's way easy to have a 12 second daily driver, reliable Civic for under $10,000. One of my friends did a B18C5 in an eg hatch, 15 by 6.5 inch wheels, Falken Azenis tires, I/H/E, and gutted of course and he ran a 12.98. My car when I'm done with it will run high 12's low 13's NA with an LS/Vtec. I already run 14.01 with very little done.