Exhaust choice

[KaotiKCamaro5]

really all depends on what you have.. and if they're running stock.. because i've seen some hopped up ass LT1's in my day.. and they're fast as hell..

[FormulaLT1]

Originally Posted by hotrod_chevyz

And by the way i would place a money bet that my 70' 350 has more HP than a LT1 or WS6,that is non supercharged.

Dollar for dollar, Mod for mod. A LT1 would blow the doors off a Gen 1 SBC 350 and if this wasn't the case explain to me why so many old school Pontiac and chevy cars that where originally equiped with 350's are now sporting a LT1. I'm not putting down the 350 by any means its a awesome block and has a much larger aftermarket than a LT1 and much more possiblty's and I agree non-computerized cars makes them easier to mod but I think your under-estimating the LT1.

[hotrod_chevyz]

I watch it happen to LT and LS owners all the time at thunder valley speedway.All the time you see the old chevelles and monte carlos and novas wax the track with LT's and LS's.I have watched in person people losing money bets over this very topic.not to be-little anybodys car.If i was to put a 6 speed standard behind my motor,a lot of injection fans would be pissin and moanin.

[FormulaLT1]

Don't think I am a track virgin and I can tell you first hand from looking at dyno slips and reading GM newsletter's/tech guides, it was a improved design when it was introduced. It is a better design. It does offer more power mod for mod and it is a widely used block and intake system for a reason please don't take offense to this cause I know you know your shit from reading your post's but don't blow smoke up my ass cause your proud of your car, I 'm sure its a sweat ride and it will blow the doors off the average LT1 but you do all the same mods to a LT1 (except Carb obviously) and it would be even faster. It has been proven time and time and time again.

[Hypsi87]

It does not matter how hard you try to fight it or how much you don't want to beleive it. The old saying "there aint not replacement for displacement" and other similar "rules of thumb" are no longer true. Technology will always make more power. Technology will also make more streetable power. Why do you think we have 600 HP LS1's that get driven daily and still get over 20 MPG. Even People like myself that run the Turbo Buicks, mod for mod, a SBC can't compete with my little 231 milk jug (231 cid=1 gallon ) It just won't happen. Hell most big blocks can't compete with the tubo Buick mod for mod. I also know for a fact that the big blocks can't even hold a candle to the LS1's. Old school is good for power but, technology gives you all the power of an old carb, SBC setup with daily driven street manners and won't break you wallet evey time you want to drive it.

[hotrod_chevyz]

You are correct.Both can be equally upgraded.But a few facts i will point out,is the fact that mine costs way less to prototype,and is a lot less failure prone in high output applications.And older non-computerized cars have a way more consistent trap time at the end of the track,when all the numbers are added up.If i split my block in two right now this minute,i could replace it exactly like it is for under 1000 bucks,and be right back next to an LT1,blowing its doors off.I run nitromethane boosted(bluish purple gas)fuel.i mix 2 gallons of nitro to every 10 gallons of gas,due to the fact my compression dont like pump gas.It tends to knock.I am not afraid to push mine past the 7,000 rpm mark ive been so warned about.I always end up at home with the same oil pressure i left with.I am sure you could and probably will point out the reasons a LT1 is better than mine,but its not cost of maintaining or durability.

[hotrod_chevyz]

I dont particularly care for thin castings or aluminum parts either.Or all that electronic crap that may seem to help at first,but believe that it bites you in the butt later on down the road.And truthfully doesnt really add all that performance your thinking it does.Im not too concerned with the gas price factor.I wonder what my car would do with a supercharger and a shot of nitrous.I bet it would pull one over on a 231 v-6.Any time it came near.

[Hypsi87]

nitro is EXTREMELY reactive to compression. That is why NHRA funny cars run like 7.7:1 compression and start up under 87 octane pump gas. then switch to nitro when there is enought heat to support the combustion of the nitro. then when the supercharger makes 50=PSI of boost, the effetive compression raito is raised to 33.89:1 compression. causing the nitro to diesel. They don't even have spark plugs left when they leave the line, its just the HARSH reaction the nitro has to the compression that is keeping it running. If you are mixing nitro in your tank for High compression reasons, you are asking for it.

[hotrod_chevyz]

Yeah with my compresion nitrous would indeed split my block in half.

[FormulaLT1]

Originally Posted by hotrod_chevyz

I dont particularly care for thin castings or aluminum parts either.Or all that electronic crap that may seem to help at first,but believe that it bites you in the butt later on down the road.And truthfully doesnt really add all that performance your thinking it does.Im not too concerned with the gas price factor.I wonder what my car would do with a supercharger and a shot of nitrous.I bet it would pull one over on a 231 v-6.Any time it came near.

Hotrod, I like you to show me a carb that can look at your map/throttle position and knock count and exhaust oxygen content to deliver a perfect 14.7:1 A/F with 60 fuel pulse changes per second. You show me this and you win this pissing contest. Also the 3.8 Turbo Buick is a awesome design and a engine that is widely praised by many. I think your underestimating the advances GM has made since they discontinued the use of the SBC and the factory hotroded buick 3.8

[Hypsi87]

Originally Posted by hotrod_chevyz

Yeah with my compresion nitrous would indeed split my block in half.

I was talking about the nitro you add to your fuel to help support you compression. besides, why not just go buy turbo blue 113 octane is perfect for 12.4:1 or torco or something like that. Nitro is a whole different ball game.

[Hypsi87]

Originally Posted by hotrod_chevyz

And by the way i would place a money bet that my 70' 350 has more HP than a LT1 or WS6,that is non supercharged.

BTW my little 231 made 440 at the wheels.

[hotrod_chevyz]

I use nitro because a friend of mine who used to supply a track here in oklahoma can get it for me at a 5 dollar per gallon price.he adds somthing else to it before he sells it to me,i think he referred to it as *taming it some*.

[hotrod_chevyz]

Ive watched lots of v8 owners get proven stupid by those 231's.I dont like the fact a v-6 is capable of hanging with a v-8,but when you see it for your own eyes,you cant deny it.And to you formulaLT1,i dont know of a carb that does that,but i do know of a carb that costs a lot less,and performs just as good.

[FormulaLT1]

Originally Posted by hotrod_chevyz

I use nitro because a friend of mine who works for a local race track here in OKC can get it for me at a 5 dollar per gallon price.he adds somthing else to it before he sells it to me,i think he referred to it as *taming it some*.

Are you saying you add a highly combustive substance to your car without knowing whats in it?