What The Best Engine For A 92 Hatch?

[Crippy]

Originally Posted by S13wanabe

You should use more common sense. First off, anyone can claim they have so much hp. Second, I can get a Geo Metro 3-cylinder motor to 600hp if it is fully built. If you build a race motor, out of anything, any hp number is possible. What I speak of is practicality. First off the b-series line is cheap, easy to work on, and easy to find parts for. Everyone has built a b-series motor, so modding is cheap and easy in any form na or turbo. The k-series line is very tempermental. The torque they produce is great, but they are very expensive, there are less parts, not as many poeple have built them, they are harder to work on, and the list of negatives goes on. I build NA Honda motors. I have friends with both k-series and b-series. The b-series in the real world are producing better numbers and faster times. Oh wait, what is used in racing, let's see, that's right, 99% b-series motors. You won't see any k-series motors in dragging na or turbo. The b-series still dominates the track. Someday I don't doubt the k-series will surpass the b-series since it alters both intake and exhaust timing, but as of now, the b-series is still better. Do your research before you bag on someone who does this for a living.

from someone who does what for a living ?? makes up B/S on internet sites to try and look smart ?? you sir are an idiot ... anyone who builds honda motors would know that the k series can completely dominate the b series .... you cant compare price tags on a motor that was put into production over 10 years ago to one that was just released , compare the power output mod for mod ... and take into consideration the k series was just released a few years ago, so yea there is alot more parts available for the b series right now ,and alot more peeps with built up b series motors.... but there are PLENTY of built k series motors hitting ridiculous # ' s with far less work done than a b series would need to hit those same #'s ... I/H/E with hondata can put you into the 13's with a k20a2 , ive seen it done , B series cannot touch that ... k series have a MUCH more useable powerband at almost any RPM , how is that not better ?? just compare the DC5 type R to the DC2 type R , hmmmmm i wonder why the DC5 is throwin down better #'s consistantly ?? from some of the comments youve made earlier you sound like you know very little about cars at all ...

[S13wanabe]

You can say all you want, but the truth shows on the tracks. Like I said in the future I have no doubt the k-series will surpass the b-series, but as of now, the b-series rules and dominates. If you want numbers, my good friends 92 civic hatch ran a 12.98 in the 1/4 with a b18c5 with intake header and exhaust. He has neuspeed springs, kyb agx shocks, 15 by 6.5 wheels, wrapped in Falken Azenis tires. Of course his car is gutted. Find me a k-series swap with the same mods doing that. If one can, then congratulations. Again money matters to most people, it does matter how much things cost when refering to practicality. I am a b-series man, so it will be hard to convert me. In my experience, the b-series has been better than the k-series, despite the better design the k-series has. Maybe someday when I can afford to spend $6000 on a motor, I will change my mind. Oh, I believe it was Import Racer mag that built a 520hp b16. That's 1.6 liters compared to your 2.0 producing 600hp. Any engine can be built to have two tons of power. If you can get me a k-series for cheap or free to work on, I'll give it a shot.

[Crippy]

at least you understand what i mean as far as the capabilities both engines have ... as you can see in my sig , im a b series fanatic my self , but PRICE ASIDE K series owns hands down ... i realize price is prolly the most important deciding factor when it comes to building engines , but i was just pointing the dude to another alternative for his swap , which i believe is a better all around swap ( price aside ) ... but this is pretty pointless , i see exactly where your coming from about the cheaper build , but thats like saying the new Honda HSC is not as good as the old NSX because it is more expensive and harder to work on , and people race the old NSX alot more than the HSC ,its still new , give it time and it will take its place ...but still , long live the B series ...

[SiGNAL748]

c32+eg = wet panties.

[eckoman_pdx]

Originally Posted by S13wanabe

Auto to manual swaps suck. It's tough to do. You would have to install the pedals, add hydrolic clutch lines and resevour. Your best bet is to sell your car and get a manual one and do a B16A2 swap, or swap in a B16 from a Del Sol Vtec. Some of them were automatic,You could buy a b16 long block, and buy the automatic trans separetly for the motor, but it has to be the right one. Best bet, get a new car, then put your head on straight and screw the show car idea. With a Civic you can never have a competitive show car. They are way over done. Plus show cars are gay.

Auto-Manual swaps are not so hard I'd recommend someone "junk the car" and get a new one, especially if you're having a engine swap done at the same time. Timing consuming and all it may be, but by no means does it mean you should "junk the car you already own." It really annoys me when people say "junk the car and by a manual." This might be a great option for some people, but curtainly isn't everyone best option.

Also, no Del Sol's where sold here ever with an AT B16A, ever. There has never been a auto B16A in the US. There are auto tranny B16A;s in Europe and Japan though. A good number of the JDM Civic Ferio's (4 doors) had auto B16A's, so sourcing one of those is an option.

Also, I have noitced a great deal of your posts include flames and rude stabs at people like "show cars are gay," this is gay, or you are ruining your car and making us all look bad. Just because someone chooses to go and build a show car versus a track car doesn't mean they are ruining the car. Making fun of a cheezy ass APC wing'd car with chrome wheels and a primered bumper is one thing, calling a fully build full-on show casr "gay" is something else. Don't go calling a car build for shows "gay" just becuase it isn't the route you choose. That's what makes car so great, there are different routes you can choose. Even with the performance side. A drag car will be build differently than an autocrosser or track car. Is an autocross car or a track car "gay" becuase it isn't built to hit 12's. So maybe it runs 15's, but it handles like mad. Different goals for different types of cars. Just because it's a show car, a auto-x car, a track car, etc deosn't make it gay. Too many people have the view if it's not about power, then it's gay. I am so sick of this attitude, the "if it's not the same as everyone else, then it's stupid" mentality. The hating that results, as much as anything else, ruins the scene.

[S13wanabe]

First off, show cars are gay, and so are you. I have never said that race cars are gay. I love every type of race car, I own an auto-x car, a drift car, and soon a drag car. I know exactly how they are set up differently, stupid ass. Oh, and I even owned an automatic B16a Del Sol. Holy shit, it must have been my imagination. I also never said to junk the car. I said it would be easier to sell it and get a new one. If he is doing a swap it doesn't matter how good the motor and tranny are, so he may even save money. You are an idiot, now get off the forums before you turn other people stupid.

[eckoman_pdx]

Originally Posted by S13wanabe

First off, show cars are gay, and so are you. You are an idiot, now get off the forums before you turn other people stupid.

If you live in the US, I have news, there was never a USDM auto Del Sol....ever. I don't care if you think you owned one. Honda never produced a USDM auto tranny Del Sol Vtec ever. It would be pretty hard for him to find a car here that was never made. If you need, call up Honda and ask them to check parts on an auto tranny del sol vtec. Also, you said "Your best bet is to sell your car and get a manual one and do a B16A2 swap." You indeed did suggest his best bet was to junk the car (meaning sell it) and buy a manual. Read your post if you need to again, but it's there in plain english.

Sseriously though man, squash the shit and the "I'm big and bad" attitude right now. If you feel like flaming and calling members names, then go somewhere else and do it. Automotive Forums is not a place to do this. I never personally attacked you like you just attacked me. Stop turning this personal just because you can't handle a certain view. You don't like show cars? Great, but don't call them gay and flame them just because YOU don't like them. Don't call me or any other members names like gay and stupid just because you disagree with them. You can't just get pissed off and personally attack and insult people. These type of attacks ARE NOT tolerated here at AF. Acting like this is a quick ticket to getting an unwanted AF vacation.

[S13wanabe]

You amde it sound like I said to trash the car. Selling it is not junking it. He would be able to get decent money for his car and get a Civic with a blown motor and a manual tranny for much cheaper and then do the swap with ease. I don't know how I had a Del Sol Vtec with an automatic, but I did. You are right though, they were not sold in the U.S. I'm guessing someone did the swap, and I don't know why they did. Thank god I only had it for 2 weeks and sold it.

[eckoman_pdx]

Originally Posted by S13wanabe

You amde it sound like I said to trash the car. Selling it is not junking it. He would be able to get decent money for his car and get a Civic with a blown motor and a manual tranny for much cheaper and then do the swap with ease. I don't know how I had a Del Sol Vtec with an automatic, but I did. You are right though, they were not sold in the U.S. I'm guessing someone did the swap, and I don't know why they did. Thank god I only had it for 2 weeks and sold it.

Trash the car and get a new one is a slang way of saying sell it and buy another. Most people know what it means, sorry you misunderstood it. I assume you havn't ran into it used in that contex much before. Well, now you know for next time. It doesn't mean literally trash it, it means get rid of it (just like you get rid of trash, lol...in this case, I.E. sell it) and buy a new one. I still think he doesn't have to sell it if likes the car, he can still swap it to a manaul during a swap and it should help lower the price of tjhe conversion (at least I know of placed that will do that). If he wants to keep it auto and swap with an auto tranny, he can always source out a B16A auto and swap in it, they are out there.

There were auto tranny B16A's in Japan and Europe. Quiet a few auto tranny B16A's in Japan were in the Civic Ferio (4dr). The guy who had the Del Sol before you probably had a reguler Del Sol with an auto tranny, and got the JDM or European B16A, automatic transmisson and ecu. He probably then swapped them into the Del Sol, and bagded it as a Del Sol Vtec. If it had an USDM motor code, he most likly mixed a USDM B16A with the JDM/European auto tranny and ecu.

[skylinespeed566]

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[crayzayjay]

Originally Posted by S13wanabe

First off, show cars are gay, and so are you. I have never said that race cars are gay. I love every type of race car, I own an auto-x car, a drift car, and soon a drag car. I know exactly how they are set up differently, stupid ass. Oh, and I even owned an automatic B16a Del Sol. Holy shit, it must have been my imagination. I also never said to junk the car. I said it would be easier to sell it and get a new one. If he is doing a swap it doesn't matter how good the motor and tranny are, so he may even save money. You are an idiot, now get off the forums before you turn other people stupid.

Speaking this way to any AF member / moderator is unacceptable. Have a good read of the AF user guidelines before you come back from your week break.

[whatup]

You should use more common sense. First off, anyone can claim they have so much hp. Second, I can get a Geo Metro 3-cylinder motor to 600hp if it is fully built. If you build a race motor, out of anything, any hp number is possible. What I speak of is practicality. First off the b-series line is cheap, easy to work on, and easy to find parts for. Everyone has built a b-series motor, so modding is cheap and easy in any form na or turbo. The k-series line is very tempermental. The torque they produce is great, but they are very expensive, there are less parts, not as many poeple have built them, they are harder to work on, and the list of negatives goes on. I build NA Honda motors. I have friends with both k-series and b-series. The b-series in the real world are producing better numbers and faster times. Oh wait, what is used in racing, let's see, that's right, 99% b-series motors. You won't see any k-series motors in dragging na or turbo. The b-series still dominates the track. Someday I don't doubt the k-series will surpass the b-series since it alters both intake and exhaust timing, but as of now, the b-series is still better. Do your research before you bag on someone who does this for a living.

Do what for a living? Talk about yourself?

[S13wanabe]

Yay I'm not banned anymore!!! Eckoman pdx, I first wanted to say I'm sorry about the name calling. It was stupid and I should keep cool. It is arguing over the internet after all. To this new guy Whatup, read on. I don't think you read far enough. I work on cars as a hobby. I have two cars I work on, a 1993 Civic and a 1964 Chevy Pickup. I've been doing it my whole life. I've built several chevy motors, and a few honda motors, that have all proved to be powerful and reliable, one up to 10,000 rpm's all day long. The K-series is not a bad motor, it just doesn't have the same racing and product support the b-series has.

[whatup]

Originally Posted by S13wanabe

Yay I'm not banned anymore!!! Eckoman pdx, I first wanted to say I'm sorry about the name calling. It was stupid and I should keep cool. It is arguing over the internet after all. To this new guy Whatup, read on. I don't think you read far enough. I work on cars as a hobby. I have two cars I work on, a 1993 Civic and a 1964 Chevy Pickup. I've been doing it my whole life. I've built several chevy motors, and a few honda motors, that have all proved to be powerful and reliable, one up to 10,000 rpm's all day long. The K-series is not a bad motor, it just doesn't have the same racing and product support the b-series has.

My bad, I was just giving you a hard time. I live in Japan and no one is using the K-series over here (on the street anyways). Tell you the truth, not many people even drag Honda's over here. I have a 1998 Turbo MR-2 (SW20), 1992 Toyota Majesta, and a 1992 Civic SIR (EG6). Most of the people over here are draggin' Skyline GT-Rs, Lancer EVOs (V-VIII), GT-IRs, Mark IIs, Crestas, Chasers, FDs, Silvias, Supras, MR2s, 180s, Imprezzas, etc. The only reason that I bought a Civic was because of all the hype in the states, and because it only cost me $1000. Everyone thinks that Hondas are junk over here. I want to build a 600 hp civic so that I can whoop up on some ass over here. I won't be whoopin everything though, because they have quite a few 1200 hp GT-Rs runnin' around. Sorry for givin' you a hard time...No harm, No foul, right? Peace Out...

[S13wanabe]

I wish I lived in Japan. I would give anything to be one of those guys driving around in a 1,200hp Skyline. Are you in the military or did you just move over there for pleasure, or business.