performance tips please

[GScivic7]

The kit is rated for about 175 whp and that is dyno proven.

[blkciv98EXwithopes]

whp is additional hp or total hp? 130+170= 300!

[GScivic7]

whp is horsepower rated at the wheel, where it matters. HP is rated at the crank from the factory, so like 127HP Civic would be more like about 100 WHP, which is how much power you actually put down to the ground. WHP is what really matters.

[b18ls]

Originally Posted by GScivic7

The kit is rated for about 175 whp and that is dyno proven.

I think he wants to know if the kit adds 175 whp, or will it bring his total to 175 whp? I don't know shit about turbo. All motor junkie!

JDM nutt...

[blkciv98EXwithopes]

oh ok, i get the whp now, but will I have 275whp overall?

[blkciv98EXwithopes]

I read another thread where someone actually wanted to swap for an engine like mine. Since I already have a vtech, what parts should I upgrade for now? Or should I save for a year to get turbo? I dont know if I could wait that long.

[GScivic7]

Originally Posted by blkciv98EXwithopes

oh ok, i get the whp now, but will I have 275whp overall?

no, 175 whp is how much you will have total.

[blkciv98EXwithopes]

how much total would a good intake header exhaust system give me?

[GScivic7]

about an extra 12whp. Not worth the $1000 you would be spending. That's $1000 towards a turbo. Save up another $1500 and you can have yourself a turbo kit.

[blkciv98EXwithopes]

right, im all set to save.

[GScivic7]

good choice

[exman98]

a lot of people go into questioning about preformance parts, but forget the cost.
any real HP is going to cost at least $1,000. that is on the cheap end
i figure for about for the fist 15 HP it cost about $1,000.
Price VS. HP
the biger the HP gain the less money it will cost proportionally. its like
15hp/$1000= .015
or
50hp/ $2500= .02
maybe my idea is wrong, or i am doing it wrong but either way good preformance doesnt come cheap.

[GScivic7]

that's the Edelbrock kit in stock form though. Up the boost a few psi and gain more horse. Just don't go crazy and up it too much. And even in stock form it's more than a 50 hp increase. Its rated at the wheels, not the crank. It is more like a 75 whp increase which is like 85 flywheel hp considering a 15% loss through the drivetrain.

So, doing the math you get a .034 hp to dollar ratio. Still not great, but good performance isn't going to come cheap like you said.

Pay to play and you get what you pay for.

[Geeko]

i don't see the logic of buying expensive headers if i'm going to replace them with turbo headers anyway, but i think a halfway-decent intake would be a good idea (planning for the turbo)... don't have to spend 200 bucks for an AEM system though

i think the easiest thing to do is to work on the small things while you're saving for the turbo kit. clean the car, from tip to toe. fix anything wrong with it. work on inexpensive or labor-intensive suspension upgrades or other things that prepare for the turbo.

after all, there is a lot to clean on a car, and a lot you can do to prep for a turbo that makes having the turbo easier, and more efficient. for instance, i'm planning on pulling the engine apart and completely cleaning and rebuilding it... very labor intensive, time consuming, and doesn't cost much in parts for the time it takes

[blkciv98EXwithopes]

I have a long way to go (learning about how the engine works completely) before I can touch my engine without worrying about messing it up. It sounds like a great idea though, to keep my own self taugh maintenance schedule. That way, by the time i have the turbo, i might be able to install it by my self!
Gee- I wonder what stupid things I would have already done to my civic if it weren't for this forum.