Is it really worth it?

[eckoman_pdx]

Originally Posted by CivicSpoon

Hey don't forget about the Mitsubishi Starion/Dodge Conquest when you talk about DSM http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...n/conquest.jpg

Didn't mention other DSM cars since he was only intersted in Eclispes, etc...but good call to point those DSM cars out...

["Nicodemus"]

Originally Posted by eckoman_pdx

Didn't mention other DSM cars since he was only intersted in Eclispes, etc...but good call to point those DSM cars out...

You seem like you know a good bit about the eclipse. With that in mind, which would you recomend for our good friend. A newer model, or an older one? In fact, if you had the money to get either one, which would you spend it on? Just curious!

[GScivic7]

Originally Posted by eckoman_pdx

The N/A DSM Eclipses have what is basically a Neon engine, the Turbo'd ones have a 4G63.

Actually, I don't know if it's the same for teh 2nd gens, but the first gen N/A eclipses had the 4G63 motor too. just not boosted

[eckoman_pdx]

Originally Posted by GScivic7

Actually, I don't know if it's the same for teh 2nd gens, but the first gen N/A eclipses had the 4G63 motor too. just not boosted

I know the 2nd gens have a "420" neon motor (i think thats the engine code)...anyways, it's the same motor a neon has. I was not aware the non-boosted 1st gens had a 4G63 off boost. I know that the 2nd gens have a Neon motor...I mentioned that since the whole arguement above was that "eclispes suck, I hate 2nd gens."

Originally Posted by Nicodemus

You seem like you know a good bit about the eclipse. With that in mind, which would you recomend for our good friend. A newer model, or an older one? In fact, if you had the money to get either one, which would you spend it on? Just curious

I would get a second or first gen DSM GST or GSX. I wouldn't get the new ones. I would want boost out of the Esclipse. Whether it's the first or second gen would depend on who important looks are, etc...and whether you think it's worth it to get a higher mileage motor to get the 6 bolt. If you're not looking for crazy ass power, I'd go 2nd gen, a little less wear and tear. If you're looking for mad gains, the threat of crankway might scare you, so 1st gen could be a better option there. Either way, I'd go with a GST or GSX...forget the new Esclipses...no AWD GSX, no turbo...they're not my thing.

[GScivic7]

he doesn't like the 3rd gens. I don't know a whole lot about the 3rd gens, but I don't see why a V6 wouldn't be a good platform to mod unless they develop some serious problems like the 2nd gens had with crankwalk.

[eckoman_pdx]

Originally Posted by GScivic7

he doesn't like the 3rd gens. I don't know a whole lot about the 3rd gens, but I don't see why a V6 wouldn't be a good platform to mod unless they develop some serious problems like the 2nd gens had with crankwalk.

Not all 3rd gens came with a V6. The GS has a 2.4 liter 4 cylinder motor. The GT and GTS have a 3.0 liter, V6 motor. For one, you need to make sure you're getting the trim line that had the V6 if that what you want, becuase not all of them have it. The GTS adds variable induction to the V6 motor, something the GT V6 lacks. It also raises the compression ratio to 10.0:1. The other 2 have a 9.0:1 c/r. It's basically a claimed 10 crank HP bump.

The GS 2.4 SOHC 16 vavle I4 motorhas a 9.0:1 c/r and is a claimed crank 147hp@5500rpm, w/ 158 lbs-ft of torque@ 4000 (6000rpm redline)

The GT SOHC 24 vavle 3.0 liter V6 has a 9.0:1 c/r and is a claimed crank 200hp@5500rpm, w/ 205 lbs-ft of torque@
4000rpm (6000rpm redline)

The GTS 24 vavle 3.0 liter V6 w/ variable induction has a 10.0:1 c/r and is a claimed crank 210hp@5750rpm, w/ 205 lbs-ft of torque@3750rpm (6200rpm redline).

If I were going to boost a newer Eslicpse, I'd choose the GT..a lower more turbo friendly c/r, but it has the V6. Still, these motors weren't made for boost though, you have to remember, so you can't crank it up stock like with an old 6 bolt.

My ideal set-up would be a 2nd gen with a low mileage 1st gen 6 bolt swapped in. Get the looks of the 2nd gen without the possiblity for crankwalk if you really crank the boost up. This won't fly in cali though, but you could work it in some areas.

If I were to go with a newer ones, I'd go GT. I don't need variable induction, and the lower c/r of 9.0:1 is a lot more benifital if forced induction is in your plans than the extra claimed 10 crank HP you'd get from the higher c/r and variable induction.

[GScivic7]

I know not all of them had the V6, but for performance, especially in an Eclipse where the turbo is no longer an option, I'd go for the V6. Hell, my sentra has a bigger motor than the 4 cylinder eclipse

[eckoman_pdx]

Originally Posted by GScivic7

I know not all of them had the V6, but for performance, especially in an Eclipse where the turbo is no longer an option, I'd go for the V6. Hell, my sentra has a bigger motor than the 4 cylinder eclipse

Yea, if I were going with the newer Eclispe, I would never consider the 4 banger, especially since a turbo is not an option. Weak for the size too....147HP?? Thats about the same as the B18B1, less than the GSR, but with .6 more liters. Not great output for the size y any means. If you are looking to boost it, I'd go with the GT...If you want to stay N/A and do minor mods, then the GTS might be the better choice.