Best way to glue dash pad back down?

[lckycharm713]

im liked the 3M but it got to be to much money. if you say that is sucks and you founded something better, thats good. i would like to try that myself then. if its stronger them 3M 90, try that man, what will it hurt, if it dont work clean it up and try something else. its not last and only time you have to do this on

[eckoman_pdx]

Originally Posted by lckycharm713

im liked the 3M but it got to be to much money. if you say that is sucks and you founded something better, thats good. i would like to try that myself then. if its stronger them 3M 90, try that man, what will it hurt, if it dont work clean it up and try something else. its not last and only time you have to do this on

Oh, this stuff IS WAAYYY stronger than 3M 90. 3M is junk compared to this. It tacks within a FEW MINUTES, has a MUCH HIGER HEAT RESISTENCE RATING, and it is MUCH STRONER. This is a proffesional Landeu top and Trim Contact Cement. I warn you though, once it goes on, you'll have a hell of a time getting it off. It's also more economical, coming in big ass 5 gallon containers which ends up being much cheaper.

I've used the 3M, when I ran out of this over a weekend once and couldn't go back to work to get more since it was closed. I ran to the auto paint store @ got 3M 90. Took MUCH longer to tack, and it was harder to get to hold in streched tight areas. I was just crap compared to the Landeu top and trim stuff.

Dap makes some stuff in a spray can. Although it's not as good as their Landeu top and trim contact cement, it is better than 3m, and cheaper since you don't pay for the name.

When I was first hired and my boss told me 3M 90 "was garbage," I thought he was nuts. After being there awhile I realized he was absolutly correct. If we used that on customer cars, it would take WAAAYY to told to tack and wrap, and wouldn't hold up as well.

If you like 3m 90, great. Bt trust me, as an auto upholstery proffesional, the DAP stuff is MUCH MUCH Better. If you liked the 3M, then you'll be absolutly nuts about this, assuming you can find it, etc, lol.

I just finished wrapping the plastic trim peices of a seat in suede using the dap cement. Never could have done it with anything I've seen in a spraycan, 3M of otherwise. The curves, corners, and the tension it had to be pulled and hold would be way to much Looked very nice too. I'd load a few pics, but I can't find the progam to allow me to load the pics from the digi cam to the comp, so they are all stuck on the camera for now, lol.

[a1rabbit]

Look in the phone book for an automotive upholstery shop, call them up and ask for advice. I'm sure this is a common problem, I've seen it on many vehicles... they may even do it for less than 20 bucks. I had a new headliner done for 30 including fabric.

Good luck.

[eckoman_pdx]

Originally Posted by a1rabbit

Look in the phone book for an automotive upholstery shop, call them up and ask for advice. I'm sure this is a common problem, I've seen it on many vehicles... they may even do it for less than 20 bucks. I had a new headliner done for 30 including fabric.

Good luck.

I work @ an auto upholstery shop. I can tell you a new headliner installed costs way more than $30. You got one heck of a bargin there.

To fix the dash and guy it back down, if thats all what is required, should certainly cost more than $20. As I said, if those are the prices you are getting, you are getting one hell or a deal.

[a1rabbit]

I installed the headliner, they just cleaned the board, and stuck on the fabric. I also forgot that I get discounts, oops. But only about 30%.

Well I am basing my assumption and price (which was a best case scenario) on what I understand from the post, I don't think it would be more than about 30-45 min of work for a shop to repair this dash assuming that it does not need to be removed. What it sounds like to me is a "small" tear/rip/stress crack. However I am no pro at this and did not read your post above mine, I posted not realizing there was a second page to read. I trust your judgment more so than my own.

I forgot to mention that I've also seen some vinyl/leather repair kits for varying prices.

Here is a link to what I mean. Not sure how good this stuff is though.

http://www.leatherrepairkits.com/google_index.htm

Good luck.

[eckoman_pdx]

Originally Posted by a1rabbit

I installed the headliner, they just cleaned the board, and stuck on the fabric. I also forgot that I get discounts, oops. But only about 30%.

Well I am basing my assumption and price (which was a best case scenario) on what I understand from the post, I don't think it would be more than about 30-45 min of work for a shop to repair this dash assuming that it does not need to be removed. What it sounds like to me is a "small" tear/rip/stress crack. However I am no pro at this and did not read your post above mine, I posted not realizing there was a second page to read. I trust your judgment more so than my own.

I forgot to mention that I've also seen some vinyl/leather repair kits for varying prices.

Here is a link to what I mean. Not sure how good this stuff is though.

http://www.leatherrepairkits.com/google_index.htm

Good luck.

Oh, it's all good. Wasn't trying to complain or anything I just didn't want to poor guy to go down, talk to a shop and be like.."but I can't get it done for $20-30, and they won't do my headliner that low. I figured you did get it down that low...thats why I said you got 1 heck of a deal. After you explained it, it makes sense.

[rcfryer]

I agree. The DAP Landow top adhesive is the absolute best contact glue around. It's easy to work with and is waterproof and very strong. It can be applied very thin so it wont cause a bump and still retain its strength. Use in a well ventilated area, though. It has some powerful fumes that can affect you. Good luck with your project.

[Corkscrew]

Hey, thanks, and no offense, but people in forums, automotive or not, often say to contact a so-and-so supplier, but often they just don't exist in the yellow pages or there are simply none locally anyway (mail order). And if they do, they don't want to, or can't help an individual that isn't a business/customer. At least, I can't find any upholstery wholesaler in my area.
And one upholstery shop I called say they get their glue (which wasn't the DAP stuff, which they haven't heard of) in 55 gallon barrels and say to try the auto parts stores. Another said he's tried every glue they make, incl. stuff for formica, and nothing will hold the dash pad down. He said he uses Genesco contact cement. He had heard of the DAP stuff. He said silicone will hold better than contact cement since it will withstand the heat better.

Since you work at an upholstery show eckoman, and are here on the forum, it seems you would be more likely to find out this information for me than anyone.

Thanks again.

[eckoman_pdx]

Originally Posted by Corkscrew

Hey, thanks, and no offense, but people in forums, automotive or not, often say to contact a so-and-so supplier, but often they just don't exist in the yellow pages or there are simply none locally anyway (mail order). And if they do, they don't want to, or can't help an individual that isn't a business/customer. At least, I can't find any upholstery wholesaler in my area.
And one upholstery shop I called say they get their glue (which wasn't the DAP stuff, which they haven't heard of) in 55 gallon barrels and say to try the auto parts stores. Another said he's tried every glue they make, incl. stuff for formica, and nothing will hold the dash pad down. He said he uses Genesco contact cement. He had heard of the DAP stuff. He said silicone will hold better than contact cement since it will withstand the heat better.

Since you work at an upholstery show eckoman, and are here on the forum, it seems you would be more likely to find out this information for me than anyone.

Thanks again.

Well, we used DAP landue top and trim contact cement, you definatly buy it in barrles less than 55 gallons, I've never seen it in barrels that large. You can buy it in 5 Gallon or 1 gallon pails. It is flamable until it dries, but once it dries thats not an issue. It can withstand heat of up to 225 or 250 degrees (i forget which it is off the top of my head) and it tacks very quickly. I mean, 3 minutes, I think 5 is the longest I've had to wait. I've never really heard of silicon being used as an adhesive ever, though it doesn't seem like a great idea. The DAP Weldwood landue top and trim contact cement has a high heat resistance as I said (in the range of 225-250 degrees), so I've never heard of releasing due to heat being an issue. I'll see what I can dig up on the other stuff you mentioned, but the Landue top and trim has the highest heat resistance I have found so far (not saying there are not others out there with more. If I find anything else out I will let you know.

Since you can't find places that sell it in your area, here are 2 wholesale places in Portland that sell it.

Hoch & Shelby Co, 503-234-6476

Perfect Fit-McDonald, Inc.
Portland, OR: 503-234-9325
Tukwila, WA: 206-682-7161
http://www.perfectfit.com/
Product Number DAP-0306 for 5 gallon and DAP-0307 for 1 gallon
DAP WELDWOOD TOP & TRIM ADHESIVE 5 GALLONS
It is not available for shipping by UPS,though I know they have other shipping methods they can ship stuff with. You'll likly want access to an air compressor. Since you won't have a glue pot, pore some of the contact cement into a spray gun and shoot it out of that.

I hope some of this helps a bit.

I hope this helps a bit.

[Corkscrew]

Thank you for the info. A couple more questions before I bother calling them.

Any idea how much a one gallon can is? It's likely I won't use but a tiny bit and won't use it again until the rest in the can gets too hard. I'd say if it's over $20, I'll not mess with it. This is for two small areas on the dash, maybe 6 inches by a couple inches.

Can I apply it by brush. I don't have a gun, won't be buying one, and considering the location (between dash pad and base), and small areas to glue, it'd be hard to spray anyway.

[eckoman_pdx]

Originally Posted by Corkscrew

Thank you for the info. A couple more questions before I bother calling them.

Any idea how much a one gallon can is? It's likely I won't use but a tiny bit and won't use it again until the rest in the can gets too hard. I'd say if it's over $20, I'll not mess with it. This is for two small areas on the dash, maybe 6 inches by a couple inches.

Can I apply it by brush. I don't have a gun, won't be buying one, and considering the location (between dash pad and base), and small areas to glue, it'd be hard to spray anyway.

Yes, you can brush it on. Soak your brush in lacquer thinner when your done to clean it.

I'm sure a gallon is more than $20, but how much it costs I am not sure off the top of my head. Give me a few days and I'll find out.

[Corkscrew]

I can't justify the purchase then, for reasons above, and I'll just try the cheaper stuff. This is my moms car and she plans to get rid of it later in the year, so as long as it holds for a little while and looks decent for the sale.

If I could just come up with some small, thin, strong, clips that would slip over the edge of the dash (it's only separated towards the edge), that would help it hold it.

Wal Mart does have a quart size of DAP Weldwood contact adhesive. Is this close to your stuff?

I do have pics of the dash, BTW.

[eckoman_pdx]

Hmm, without seeing it I can't tell. Is it called "DAP Weldwood Contact Adhesive, Landau Top and Trim HHR Solvent Type Spray Grade." If it does it's the same stuff. If not...hmm, you can always try it if the other costs to much for your small usage needs. What section is it in, and what does the bottle look like? I go to a walmart here next time I pass and try and see if I can find it so I can get a look @ it.

Even the DAP Weldwood spray can is pretty strong stuff. I suspect that stuff should be okay for your needs, especially if it's a spray type contact adhesive, which is sounds like it is. As long as you can pout it into a little cup container, you should be able to brush it on okay.

[Corkscrew]

It's this one:
http://www.dap.com/retail/retail_det...8&prodhdrid=35

It's in the section where all the other glues and paint supplies are.

[eckoman_pdx]

Originally Posted by Corkscrew

It's this one:
http://www.dap.com/retail/retail_det...8&prodhdrid=35

It's in the section where all the other glues and paint supplies are.

Nope, thats different stuff. Not sure at all how that will hold up in high heat, etc...so I can't say much about it. The stuff we use is Professional-Grade Contact Cement, "Landua Top and Trim HHR Solvant type spray grade contact cement,"It would be this stuff on there site...the "Landau Top & Trim High Heat Resistant High Solids Contact Adhesive"
http://www.dap.com/retail/retail_det...&prodhdrid=351
This is also similer, but it's not high solids...
http://www.dap.com/retail/retail_det...&prodhdrid=302

It is a spray grade contact cement, but you can brush it on also since I doubt you have a spray gun and compressor. It's the same stuff available @ prefit fit. Oh yes, the prices...I forgot to post those for you. I checked that for you. 1 Gallon = $12.50. 5 Gallons = $44. If you look for it locally, that gives you fiar pricing ideas.

If you want I can take a picture @ some point of the 1 gallon can and post it up here for you if that helps. I'm not sure how that stuff you showed would work. I don't have any idea how the stuff you shoulded would work for automotive apps, but that is specifically what the landau top and trim stuff is made for. I hope this helps a bit.