Local Car show

[dag65]

Originally Posted by phase5

the first thing that a judge will look at is paint finish and for glue marks
or what a judge should look at

Not really IMHO
Cleanliness of build is number 1
Removal of part or mold lines and company logos like Revell or Tamiya
Then it should be paint and so on

[gasman03]

well, here's how most of judges judge contests.

1. basic items, romoval of mold lines and flash, accuracy of build (if its a stock competition), if items like Bare Metal Foil was used instead of silver paint.
2. quality of build, and that includes paint, finish, assembly,
3. aftermarket or scratchbuild items added, (if applicable, if its a Box Stock competition, this does'nt come into play), this would be like custom scratchbuilt body kits, use of PE, if engine is in kit is it wired, stuff like that
4. subject, usually judges judge cars they are intested in, yo not gonna have someone who's into classic cars like Duesenburgs and Lasalles judge the Tuner competition, and visa versa,
5. how much money you've given the judge under the table before the judging begins

I've been burned on both ways, sometimes in an NNL style judging you get a bunch of people vote for a car that may be famous (like in magazines like Scale Auto or Model Cars, or of someone you know personally, or met online, lik builds seen here on Automotive forums or at the Hobby Heaven Message board

[supratuner]

There were classes for certain years of cars, such as pre 1949, and post 1949, in those classes were modified, and stock/boxstock.

There was no real category for imports, though there was one that was mostly imports, maybe 9, and 4 additional American made cars. In that category not a single import won.

Though i love the idea of having a contest, i dont think me nor Macdaddy have the energy required to hold one, i did when i used to have a model car website, and it was one that you voted for, not me be the judge.

[dag65]

Originally Posted by supratuner

Though i love the idea of having a contest, i dont think me nor Macdaddy have the energy required to hold one, i did when i used to have a model car website, and it was one that you voted for, not me be the judge.

It does take alot of work and effort. So instead of coming on here and bashing the contest its organizers and promoters. You could talk with them and see what it would take to revamp the categories so that imports/tuners are represented.
Were there enough imports present to have their own category?

[supratuner]

There was enough to make a category for Import.
Id honestly say enough for a Stock import category, and one for modified. I might email the guy that headed the show and suggest that to him. I never thought about that.

[willimo]

I think supratuner is probably right on this one. I've seen this sort of thing enough to be able to accept his take on the unfairness of his contest as truth. He should, perhaps, suggest new categories, but in situations like this it will be difficult to get the show promoters to warm up to a "tuner" class. In a perfect world, there would be tons of classes of all sorts full of great competition, but it's not a perfect world. Them's the berries.

[ZoomZoomMX-5]

Originally Posted by p9o1r1sche

I quit going to that peticular show just because of the reasons that Supratuner mentions. Unfortunately, there are shows inwhich the judging criteria is not based on the appearance of the models on the table. I have judged many contests before, so I can speak with experience on this point.

I have helped judge and attended a few shows w/some "old school" North Carolinians, and I must agree that there was definitely some bias and "home cooking" to reward their friends vs. having a fairly-judged contest. Our local IPMS contest has strict judging rules, and a few of us from ACME were appointed to help judge the car categories because a faction from the Carolinas was notorious for unfair judging...this is not to say they are all like that, it only takes one case of questionable judging to ruin it for everyone. We overheard/witnessed some of their antics, and reported them to the head judge. So hopefully we did some good at one show.

Anyone in the SE who likes imports/tuners/exotics, or simply a well-balanced show will love the ACME NNL in November. Our club is the oddball in the SE, we have quite a strong contingent of import builders, we're not typical...though we do have many members who are into the traditional areas like hot rods, stock cars, drag racing etc. A well-balanced club with many areas of interest. Many of us are already well-known on A/F. We're going to have quite a fun reunion at the show in November. Hope y'all can make it!

[supratuner]

Youre around ATL arent you? where is this show at? I dont think I would be able to go to a show that far, but maybe if it was within reasonable driving distance in SC i could go.

Let me know.

[supratuner]

Also, some good news. My Girlfriend, which we celebrated our one year anniversary on Saturday and she was dragged to the car show with me. Told me she would like to build some model cars, so now its time for me to have an excuse to buy those cheap AMT kits for $6 each

Shes more into muscle cars though, but hey, any car is better than no car.

[gasman03]

Both the Mid Atlantic NNL and NNL East are both great shows, and the best models always win, like Jim Drews awsome Corvette Grand Sport at NNL East 2004. I usually don't go to shows expecting to win, I go to meet new people, and to get great deals on new kits, I can usually come home with boxfulls of MIB Out of prodution kits, Shows are also great to see other people techniques, I usually learn something going to a show.

I've won awards twice at shows, one was a judged contest, and the other was an NNL contest. both surprised me. even though It does'nt matter to me if I win or loose, it always feels great to go up to the announcer to recieve that trophy

[ZoomZoomMX-5]

Originally Posted by supratuner

Youre around ATL arent you? where is this show at? I dont think I would be able to go to a show that far, but maybe if it was within reasonable driving distance in SC i could go.

Let me know.

The show is in Atlanta, about 2.5 hours from Greenville SC; or about 3.5 to 4 hours from Asheville NC. It's worth the ride, we get people from a lot further away than NC.

[supratuner]

That does sound like fun, the drive from my house would probably be 4-5 hours then. What is the exact date? I got a feeling that this is some thing that i wont have the time, or the money to attend.

[mike@af]

Originally Posted by ZoomZoomMX-5

Our club is the oddball in the SE, we have quite a strong contingent of import builders, we're not typical...

True enough, you, Brian (Veyron), Matt (CADguy; well he builds everything), I could keep going on and on.

Originally Posted by ZoomZoomMX-5

though we do have many members who are into the traditional areas like hot rods

Like Dennis (ol' dude), and myself.

Originally Posted by supratuner

That does sound like fun, the drive from my house would probably be 4-5 hours then. What is the exact date? I got a feeling that this is some thing that i wont have the time, or the money to attend.

November 13.

[supratuner]

Count me out, i got plans for that day .

[CADguy]

I went to many shows this past year, and some are unfair, and some are extremly fair.

Although I've not seen "crappy" cars awarded trophys over musuem quality builds. But I've witnessed "homecooking" where the only award winners were wearing the red "host club" t-shirts.

I was of the competitive mindset for the first couple of shows I attended, and quickly learned I was not in the same leauge as the guys that were winning trophys.

When you enter a contest that Veyron, Zoom-Zoom, p9o1r1sche, ol'dude and so many others of the same caliber participate in, you have to bring your 'A' game, if leaving with a trophy is your goal.

Instead of griping about not going home with a best of show award, I learned from the guys who were winning, and raised my level of quality.

Now, if I walk away with an award fine, if not that's ok too. My trophys are my cars. I'd rather leave with a camera full of great ideas, and the memory of a day well spent with friends, than a piece of acrylic or a plaque anyday..