S4 vs. M3 (E36)

[F20C]

Originally posted by NISSANSPDR

F20C...www.supercars.net...curb weight of the S4 is 3307 lbs. Check it. Also has the 0-60mph of the M3 is 5.6 seconds...my bad...but it is not 5.7 as you say...

Supercars.net are not known to have the most accurate information. Go check http://www.audiworld.com/ or Audi USA's site for the real information.

Also the 5.7 are quote from BMW itself. I don't take 3rd party information that seriously. Especially when you don't know where their stats came from. I trust manufacture on this.

[NISSANSPDR]

Ok so you'd rather take the word of the manufacturer...I mean they are going to try their best to make their car look the best...so they are biased from the get go. You need 3rd parties to be impartial.

[crayzayjay]

I would go for the M3 personally, on looks (no s4 coupe, right?) and entertainment value. However, our (Europe's) E36 M3's have 286bhp and 321bhp so i dont know how much slower the 240bhp version is. then again if the S4 has only slightly more power but the extra weight of 4wd to carry around i would definitely go for the M3, even if it is the "underpowered one"

cheers
jay

[mastachi]

the fact is he was talkin about a brand new S4, not an earlier one, so the new M3 is the E46 platform, if you were to compare the a new S4 to an old M3 (E36), that would be unfair, that chip thing was off the top of my head. Plus, dont go around acting like your the all-knowing God of cars, cause your not. F20C, someone will always be there to correct you also, dont go around admonishing people unless your absolutely sure. The character of certain people in this forum has gone down.

[mastachi]

Kelley Blue Book
INVOICE RETAIL
S4 2.7T QUATTRO AWD
8D2579 Sedan 4D (6-Spd.) 35252.00 38900.00
Destination Charge 645.00 645.00
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BASE MODEL PRICE WITH DESTINATION CHARGE 35897.00 39545.00
(Mfr's. Effective Date 1-1-02 Revised)
Note: Base price does not include advertising and other dealer costs (see below).

BMW
M3 3.2L
0237 Coupe 2D 41930.00 45900.00
Destination Charge 645.00 645.00
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BASE MODEL PRICE WITH DESTINATION CHARGE 42575.00

There is only a 2000 dollar price difference. Also, were not talkin about modded cars. Were talking stock. So why would you even talk about it? An you guys are talking about 100th's of a second in the 0-60 time, there could have been many factors involving the time difference.

[F20C]

Originally posted by NISSANSPDR
Ok so you'd rather take the word of the manufacturer...I mean they are going to try their best to make their car look the best...so they are biased from the get go. You need 3rd parties to be impartial.

Did you know manufacture are known to have conservative stats. They cannot overestimate because if they can't back it up they will have a big marketing headache.

[F20C]

Originally posted by mastachi
F20C, someone will always be there to correct you also, dont go around admonishing people unless your absolutely sure. The character of certain people in this forum has gone down.

Please go ahead and correct me. Afterall I know what I am talking about and you don't.

[mastachi]

F20C. Wow, i was right in thinking you were an ignorant, superficial close minded person.. You should read my post again before opening your mouth.

[F20C]

Sorry but I don't like hiding behind computer playing around with words. If you an owner of Audi S4 then I would respect you. You haven't proven you have any knowledge regarding S4. I like shooting down people who have a big mouth and pretend they know everything about cars they don't own. Go learn more about both M3 and S4 then come back and post. Until then you are just making yourself look like a fool by posting inaccurate information.

[mastachi]

Right..you got me pinned down. Better not say anything. How about you go race an M3 (E46) an tell me if you win. You probably wont.. Why, cause the M3 is faster, is that so hard to understand?Maybe for you cause your a snot-nosed know-it-all. Just because you own an S4, doesnt make you the definitive expert on S4's, does it? What have i said wrong? I made one careless comment about racing chips? Maybe you should see if they make any other chips other than Dinan? or maybe thats all you read about, therefore the only ones made for the M3? cause i also forgot you are the resident guru on M3's..Everything, else, i managed to back myself up on. or not cause you proabably didnt even read my post an just shot your mouth off..which is probably the case since your already know everything. All you talk about is how an S4 can be faster than an M3. The key word is "can", were not talkin about modding the cars, were talkin about bone stock off the factory lot. This isnt the Audi Tuning forum, course, you proabably didnt read that either, since you know everything, an no one else knows shit. Would i be correct on that, or am i wrong on that also since you cant seem to agree with anybody. Are'nt you hiding behind the computor playing with words also?? Only people with Audi S4's are worth respecting, or so you say, not that people with M3's would know anything about there cars too. Well, if you like shooting people down, you should do a better job?? So far, you havent proven anything to me at all, except that you seem very immature about this subject. So, am i right in saying that people wouldnt know shit about cars unless they owned every car they talked about. Again, i would ask you to read my other post.You havent said anything about it. I didnt make those price quotes up, an they seem like there in the same price range..or is the Kelley Blue Book wrong also? cause you are also the definitive guide to price quotes and have owned every single car known to man.

[F20C]

Gosh does stupid people ever learn? I'll quote you so you can see what uneducated remarks you made.

Originally posted by mastachi
or then buy a chip an raise the hp to 390 in a Bimmer. That s the fact, you can squeeze more power out of a Bimmer cause you havent even begun forced induction

This quote tells me you like to BS a lot to prove your point. There is no chip available for M3 that will create 57 hp. I'll repeat it again that the best chip so far only makes 363 DIN and removes the top speed limiter along with better emissions. Also it tells me you know nothing about cars especially engines. Do you know what's one of the worst enemy of force induction? The compression ratio will limit how much boost. You can still run safely with 6 psi but you won't be making much more power.

Originally posted by mastachi
i hope that you decide to think about certain things an be more considerate before opening your mouth, there is no need for that.

This quote is so ironic. You acted like you know everything so you tell people to shut up. However in reality your information was probaly as far off as one can get.

[F20C]

Originally posted by mastachi
Right..you got me pinned down. Better not say anything. How about you go race an M3 (E46) an tell me if you win. You probably wont.. Why, cause the M3 is faster, is that so hard to understand?Maybe for you cause your a snot-nosed know-it-all. Just because you own an S4, doesnt make you the definitive expert on S4's, does it? What have i said wrong? I made one careless comment about racing chips? Maybe you should see if they make any other chips other than Dinan? or maybe thats all you read about, therefore the only ones made for the M3? cause i also forgot you are the resident guru on M3's..Everything, else, i managed to back myself up on. or not cause you proabably didnt even read my post an just shot your mouth off..which is probably the case since your already know everything. All you talk about is how an S4 can be faster than an M3. The key word is "can", were not talkin about modding the cars, were talkin about bone stock off the factory lot. This isnt the Audi Tuning forum, course, you proabably didnt read that either, since you know everything, an no one else knows shit. Would i be correct on that, or am i wrong on that also since you cant seem to agree with anybody. Are'nt you hiding behind the computor playing with words also?? Only people with Audi S4's are worth respecting, or so you say, not that people with M3's would know anything about there cars too. Well, if you like shooting people down, you should do a better job?? So far, you havent proven anything to me at all, except that you seem very immature about this subject. So, am i right in saying that people wouldnt know shit about cars unless they owned every car they talked about. Again, i would ask you to read my other post.You havent said anything about it. I didnt make those price quotes up, an they seem like there in the same price range..or is the Kelley Blue Book wrong also? cause you are also the definitive guide to price quotes and have owned every single car known to man.

First you lose your arguement then now you are misquoting me? Go find the exact sentence where I said stock S4 will beat E46 M3? But for your information back when I was stock M3 will beat me but now M3 will get beat. I owned a S4 therefore I don't need to BS like you to prove a point. I talk from experience and you based your information of S4 off what? Magazines? Internet? or just something off the top of your brain? About the owning S4 thing. It was said because non-owners like you goes to a board and spreads wrong information. Worst thing is you act so cocky while telling people to shut up. S4 and M3 aren't fully loaded. You should add up options on both side to make it compareable.

[mastachi]

Are you saying you could beat an M3(E46) in a race?... . im gonna say something, i formally apologize for being ignorant. I said one thing wrong, im sorry for that. The fact, is im not the only being cocky here.. This has gone way off topic, and the fact is its getting silly. I even strayed from what i believed. I hate arguing, even if im right or wrong, i always stand by my word, an i hate that, im sorry. I dont like making enemies. You may have proved somethings, but on the other hand you also strayed to far off the topic to make things relevant, which was my mistake also. But i do apologize for being overbearing and stubborn. But i do stand by the other things i said, about price range, how fast each car is compared to the other. The thing about the chip is something off the top of my head, but also, there is no way people can keep up with the latest tecnological developments because the field grows too fast to know about every breakthrough they make for the M3 in racing chip technology. The errant comment about the chip does not mean i do not know about engines. Engines are some of the most complex machines in existence. I doubt that anybody heres knows everything there is to know about engines. Although i apologize, its not because you proved me wrong, its because of the way i went about the topic was wrong. My ettiquette was wrong an so were my manners. The last thing i want to be is a bullshit artist, or anything of that sort. Im here to learn more about my passion and thats all.

[blowhard99]

i give the edge to the e36 m3 over the s4. as far as tunability goes, i'd say you can get better gains dollar for dollar from the s4. please stop talking about the e46(that's a totally different debate)...you know who you are.

[mastachi]

how bout you read the posts before opening your mouth. Blowhard99, you know how you are. I guess you didnt read the apology....