2003 Maxima vs. 1997 Grand Prix.

[leadfootGTP]

Kid- that chevy is raw, if i raced it, i would want it to beat me so i could spend more time looking at it. i will steal it from you now tho, what is your address?

Originally Posted by Fluno24

This a comparison of Stock vs Stock. So if you put a pulley on the maxima it will pull away yet again. Also the maxima only has a standard v6 engine pushing the same horse and torque yet pontiac has mod the engine to get similar output. I.E. Supercharger on the new GTPs . . . throw a supercharger on a maxima there's not contest.

do you have any idea wat we are talking about when we say pulley?SUPERCHARGER PULLEY genious, stock gtps come w. a 3.8" pulley but smaller after markey pulleys increase the supercharers performance. (typical gains for the 3.4" pulley = 25-30 HP gains for the 3.25" pulley = 30+ HP gains for the 3.0" pulley = 35+ HP and they get even smaller w/ even more hp gains) . That being said, if you put a pulley on a stock maxima, as you suggested, then you will have a pulley sitting randomly under your hood doing nothing. You need the supercharger first, it kind of helps. so basically we are talking about an 80 dollar mod on a stock gtp (60 if you keep your old belt), and a 1000 dollar mod on a stock maxima. As far as pontiac putting a sc in to get the stats the gtp has...who cares, it worked didnt it? although the maxima has 15 more ponies, the gtps have more than 35 more lb feet torque, and they are cheaper. If this isnt enough for you i raced a 2002 maxima on my way home from fb practice. He beat me to the gas by about 1/4 second, but i still pulled ahead of him for more than a block before his ponies started ta kick in, and by that time i had taken off the gas a bit ( and i never had peft shift on ), in a 1/4 mile the cars are very similar. ive heard of races in which both sides have won

[kustomkid54]

You can come here, but three of the cars are stored at... Damn, Forgot the address.
This is my everyday driver now.

[leadfootGTP]

darn, well if it comes to you, ill be right hear

[jeffs_GTP_sleeper]

Originally Posted by kustomkid54

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Nice car kustom54

The Maxima and GTP have very similar 1/4 mile times.

[Fluno24]

My brothers Maxima stock ran 14.5 at 95mph. I believe it was stock but may have put on new wheels and tires, but engine had no mods. The main thing that impresses me about the maxima though is the raw power it has from just a 3.5L v6. If Nissan knows how to do anything right it's getting power from their engines.

[Fluno24]

do you have any idea wat we are talking about when we say pulley?SUPERCHARGER PULLEY genious, stock gtps come w. a 3.8" pulley but smaller after markey pulleys increase the supercharers performance. (typical gains for the 3.4" pulley = 25-30 HP gains for the 3.25" pulley = 30+ HP gains for the 3.0" pulley = 35+ HP and they get even smaller w/ even more hp gains) .

Apparently that was written horribly cause the whole point of my post was to state that if you pop a Supercharger in a Maxima, there is no contest what so ever. I don't doubt the fact you probably know a hell of alot more about car then I, but i'm not so stupid to not know that the pulley is for the supercharger. (1st sentence thesis statement -- designed to tell what paragraph is about "put pulley in maxima . . . = put supercharger in maxima." 2nd sentence though horribly written support which reiterates thesis. "Throw supercharger no contest."

And considering that the maxima does not have a supercharger and can beat the GTP regularly, I would much rather spend the 2k more for the Nissan based purely on the fact you can get more out of the engine as opposed to the GTP.

[leadfootGTP]

im sorry but you seem to be all talk, and not very intelligent as far as autos, go find me a supercharger for a maxima and give me stats and then ill show you a similarly priced after market sc kit for a gtp that makes it even faster. the incredible sc you say will be able to kill a gtp doesnt do much if it dont exist.

i only looked quickly but i only found sc kits for maximas up to 2001, and even those kits only allowed the maximas to run a 14.4 second 1/4(given the 01s arnt as fast as 02s, but stil) i have found sc kits for grand prixs for the same price (4-5000 dollars) which allow gtps to run high 11 second 1/4s with a few additional tunes and modds.

[BFT]

Let me through in the turbo units that are hitting the street for the N/A 3800's. They promise to add 150hp at the crank. But I think our friend is talking about stock for stock. Another thing .... I thought the Maxima was out of production and that the Altima took over.Please correct me if I'm wrong.

[MaximaSe2002]

ok first off BFT the altima did not replace the max... now there may not be a so called supercharger kit avaible for the the max as of yet but a turbo kit is in the works which is going to be insane they dynoed A 3.5 altima with this and at 3600rpm it put douwn something like 375hp damn impressive. now i do agree that this would be a close race and i do think the max would come out on top. now you also have to remember that this is a family sedan that can keep up with a blown car again pretty impressive. my maxima ran a mid 14 bone stock and somebody posted that there gtp only ran a 16....and if you go to the track at all you know that 2 seconds is a lot and its hard to catch up. but bottom line is the cars are real close and it would be a good race a race of drivers

[Fluno24]

I'm saying hypothetically put a supercharger into a maxima no contest. I don't see what's so hard to what i am saying here. you Mod out a maxima's engine the same way the GTPs is modded then you cannot compare the too cars. I'm not saying the GTP is slow nor am i saying that every maxima will beat one. I guess i'm just pointing out how far behind American Engines are behind Imports'. I don't think its hard topic to grasp. And as i said before you probably know a hell of alot more about cars then I, but in your confusion you some how miss to see the obvious statements i make. (granted one of my posts was written horribly). I would take either car merely for that fact my car does not stand a chance against them. So stop your whinning and your ever longing need to feel dominant cause you are just looking like a pompous . . . person.

[leadfootGTP]

"fluno" chill out - if it sounded like i was yelling i wasnt, i just dont like it when people post unproven things as fact (which i am sur i do on occation, but ya kno) but dude you gotta admit, that from my point of view, when it sounded to me like your post suggested putting a smaller pulley on a naturaly aspirated engine, assuming that you really did mean it, and it wasnt just kinda confusingly written, it wouldve been hard for me to give a whole lotta respect after that...

Originally Posted by MaximaSe2002

ok first off BFT the altima did not replace the max... now there may not be a so called supercharger kit avaible for the the max as of yet but a turbo kit is in the works which is going to be insane they dynoed A 3.5 altima with this and at 3600rpm it put douwn something like 375hp damn impressive. now i do agree that this would be a close race and i do think the max would come out on top. now you also have to remember that this is a family sedan that can keep up with a blown car again pretty impressive. my maxima ran a mid 14 bone stock and somebody posted that there gtp only ran a 16....and if you go to the track at all you know that 2 seconds is a lot and its hard to catch up. but bottom line is the cars are real close and it would be a good race a race of drivers

whoever told you that their gtp ran a 16 second quarter should probably practice driving a little more, stock gtps can run mid 14s as well, buoth are 4 dr sedans(gtps usualy, 2dr sometimes though), we are talking about two Very similar cars here. head to head race its all up to the driver. Imight even say that the gtp is an american maxima, and vice versa. Turbo for the maxima does sound fat. there are a few turbos comming out for gtps (supoercharger removed first obviously), the cartuning performance turbo/intercooler is sounding like the most well designed, im not sure if it will bring the largest performance increase, but i talked to one of the guys who designed the kit and the intercooler and he said it would bring about 480hp to the crank on a stock gtp, thats over 400 horses at the wheels, lookin real fat, and thats just the stage one, stage two is commin out real soon i hear. dont think ima get it tho, i just dont even need that much kick ya kno. i mean if you drive w/ a heavy foot, it gets a whopping 8 mpg w/ the turbo

[RedLightning]

hmm, wonder if there is any nismo parts for the maxima?

[BFT]

My bad. Saw the Maxima site right after I left this one. Nice looking cars I might add, just don't see many here in Texas. We must remember that both cars are grocery getters. These cars just have a lil more spunk is all. I still say its a drivers race. As for the post about the 16 secound car. I was talking about the non-supercharged version of the Grand Prix with the 3.8 engine. A GTP with a good launch puts down simular numbers as the Maxima. I know what I've seen. I think what is being said by the GTP owner is that with what out here now that a GTP can be put into the mid 13's on the cheap, and he's not so sure about the Maxima.

[MaximaSe2002]

there are nismo parts out for the max cams i believe but they are way too expensive to even think about puting them in my car. i'd much rather wait for the turbo kit. the max could be put into the 13's relatively cheap if was a six speed they run low 14's stock so it wouldn't take much. i have a question for you guys though...what do your cars dyno at? just curious

[leadfootGTP]

Yeah the whole cam thing is really only worth it if youve already spent a bunch of mone and want your car to be even faster, to get them and install them (unless you can install then yourself) is likr
1,600 dollars, not to mention the the mpg drop. its just not worth it in my opinion

stock gtps dyno like 205 at the wheels i think im assuming ~20% drivetrain loss, but hey, i was through some of the maxima forums and there are a bunch of people putting together a lawsuit against nissan because they think nissan lyed about having 255hp on the 02 and 03 models, they claim that the maxima actualy has 15 less(240hp) i donno if theres any truth to it but wats the deal with that? apparently there are a bunch of people in it, and the same thing has happened with a few other cars lately as well, but i donno.