In all honesty...

[Too New To Know]

alesserfate, i dont want to start an argument, but locking the rear at the middle of a corner, turning and holding down the pedal while hoping to make the end isnt drifting ... thats about all your gonna do in a fwd

[alesserfate]

Posted by Too New To Know - 08-10-2004 at 11:29 AM
alesserfate, i dont want to start an argument, but locking the rear at the middle of a corner, turning and holding down the pedal while hoping to make the end isnt drifting ... thats about all your gonna do in a fwd

my reply: sounds like your lying, your starting an argument... just cause i cant afford a rwd car and gotta stick with what i've got doesnt mean jus diss off any fwd vehicle that actually drifts.

first of all - read the message completely before opening your mouth, i stated "am definately good at kicking my 323's rear end out aprroaching a corner on fwd" it says "approaching" not "locking the rear at the middle of a corner, turning and holding down the pedal"<-- your words

- secondly, you dont ever lock the rear on a fwd if u want to drift, all u need to do is have it lose traction and let it swing around the front, locking your tires just rubbs off speed

- you never hold the brake pedal on a corner, all thats going to happen is understeer since 80% of the braking is in the front, there are many ways to kick the rear of your car out besides handbrake, feint drift motion, less grip on the back, more weight on the back, last resorrt is the handbrake, handbrake is one of the worst ways

- handbrake isnt for "assdragging" when you dont unlock in time thats when it becomes "assdragging". handbrake locks the tires for a fraction of a second, then you put it back down, the tires start spinning while sliding sideways allowing the back to kick out, you modulate gas and power through the corner letting the back tires come back in traction while avoiding understeer or any excessive oversteer

there are too many wannabe drifters with fwd cars that make it embarrasing, i know most drift kings and 'dorifto maestros' use rwd, but there as well, some good fwd drifting done on this planet too

if you want to see me drift, heres a video for you, wait for the second car, not the big camry, but the white hatchback about 2/3 of the way through the clip, it should be second to drift, watch my drift, do u see my wheels lock up at all ? no ? ok good..

btw, no hard feelings bro =)

[_/_/_/M aurice]

Wheres the vid?

[alesserfate]

http://www.redblusky.com/driftsession_1.zip
-i am in the white car thats runs 2nd

[onebolt]

...i'm not flaming you but man, that sucked.
you didn't even hold the drift that long.
it looked like you just lost transaction for a minute, on a very dirty, low traction road, and in the end, the car just went straight on it's own.

i've seen fwd drifting before and i've done it before but that was not that good at all......

...and that's the problem with FWD drifting....no matter how much a fwd drifter wants to be a drifter, he'll never be able to hold the drift as long as a RWD drifter....now..i'm not saying stop doing it cuz starting off at FWD drifting will help you get used to the counter steering technique...that's how i learned....i used to yank on the ebrake with my Honda when i was 16 and it taught me somewhat how to countersteer...now, i drive an s13...trust me...if you ever drive a RWD stick shift, with an LSD, you will feel the difference....

[alesserfate]

yeah dude ur right dude, but guess what, my ff setup with good grip in the front and weight on the back doesnt need me to pull handbrake, its natural weight transfer, and wanna know how long i can hold a drift for ? on a rainy day i can go through entire highway ramp without ebraking, and dude guess what, thats called LFB, thats what they use in rally when they cant powerslide due to changing road surfaces, no handbrake, handbrake is good only in really hard corners, and you dont HOLD the handbrake to ass drag, u just use it to slow down and lose traction. .. hey dude, go learn something about weight transfer dude, anybody can counter steer these days, and u call that not flaming ?

no offense man, just glad to let u know more about cornering faster =)

[onebolt]

wow...now your comparing YOUR ff setup with rally car setups?...just because you put new tires on the front and added some bricks in the trunk to weigh down the rear end...come one dude...you drive a little white hatchback.....but hey...what do i know, huh?...you do what you do and i'll keep drifting on tracks in japan with my RWD s13 for the rest of my life....so i don't really care...........d00d

[Too New To Know]

ass ends do not come out on a ff from fucking stepping on the gas, im going to download this video of yours to have a laugh.. and look, im not 'dissin' you, do what you want in your ff, but dont call it drifting

[alesserfate]

lol ok, sure, go ahead and drift in japan man, lol, and i never compared it to a rally car setup, i just said i use a lfb rally technique, thats all, and cause you couldnt do shit in your honda when you were 16, doesnt mean its impossible, man just quit flaming, this is why drifting is becoming unfriendly

[Too New To Know]

is basic and common physics that show RWD (or in some cases 4wd) are the only way to drift, and by drift i mean sideways BEFORE the corner from the outside, DURING the inside and coming OUT of the corner, with completed control and the ability to link the next corner without stopping.. even WRC cars use FF cars, but they are all modified to a 4wd driveline.

personally, im not 'flaming', just dont call it drift in your 323, or the fucking camry for that matter

[alesserfate]

chill yo, i'll put a video of me doing intertia drift through 2 corners ok ? its not hard doing it on ff, its the same way the back loses traction, so jus quit the flaming, and the camry isnt fucking, its my friends car, you are the one that is 'fucking' the sport of drifting up

[Too New To Know]

hahah nice attempt at a joke there mate..

ok so your back end loses traction, but its not driven by any force, you merely swung it hard enough that the tread couldnt handle it and broke loose, so at this stage i guess you start to put your power in, but no matter what way you steer, common procedure for FF will be to straighten up and begin to understeer before you've completed the corner.. dont try and tell me im fucking the sport of drifting up, im simple stating facts here mate, your the one going round talking shit about your 323

[alesserfate]

ok 'swinging' the rear is called 'feint motion' and is used as a technique to initiate drift, all u know about going in a drift is being in a rwd car and giving it gas therefore losing the traction on the back and kicking it out- same thing as feint, the thing with rwd is you cn continuously drift by giving gas and making the back fling out, with fwd you cannot do that since there is no power to the back wheels, thats why we use feint drift, or just ebrake, you do that BEFORE you enter the corner, so once your into the corner your already sideways and countersteering, and once your out it striaghtens out by itself which is a good thing, you dont rubb off speed, and yes you can go through multiple corners 'inertia drift' in different directions, just steer hard in the opposite direction and the weight will transfer to the other side of the car.... just give it up, ff drifting is just like rwd drifting, what you couldnt do before is now done ok ? just stop this argument its useless, i dont think i will reply anymore and i dont think you should either

[Too New To Know]

firstly; dont try to tell me what i do or dont know about drifting.

second, in your little humorous demonstration video, your FF's BOTH straightened up way before the corner ended, and an ACTUAL drift, like i stated before, is from before the start and after the end of a corner, thats the unwritten law about drifting..

oh and 3rd, watch out for the pile of bricks when your car regains it grip an understeers

[Too New To Know]

how bout leaving it at that? dumbass...

I hope the stupidity you've displayed stays in America, and doesnt migrate its way over to my country and fill peoples mind's with ideas that their mums ff lancer is now a drift weapon... then again, im pretty sure we've all got more sense to even think that would work..