Discuss amongst yourselves

[Oz]

But if everyone beleives it and it makes sense and it can't be disproved - is it wrong? You are both still not thinking in the right way.

[eversio11]

Originally Posted by Oz

But if everyone beleives it and it makes sense and it can't be disproved - is it wrong? You are both still not thinking in the right way.

That.. has nothing to do with the original question. I agree with that, just because its the general concensus doesn't mean its correct. But what does that have to do with something existing or not?

[DGB454]

Originally Posted by Oz

But if everyone beleives it and it makes sense and it can't be disproved - is it wrong? You are both still not thinking in the right way.

Isn't that like saying a lie becomes truth if everyone believes it ?

[Oz]

Originally Posted by DGB454

Isn't that like saying a lie becomes truth if everyone believes it ?

Could be. What if you told a lie, then did what you lied about and redefined time

Now some of you are starting to think laterally enough.

[DGB454]

Then wouldn't a belief become truth if everyone believed it to be true?

[91300zxtt]

Originally Posted by DGB454

Then wouldn't a belief become truth if everyone believed it to be true?

thats how religion came about. no one can actually prove it right or wrong. there is a way to say this happened and theres no way this happened. i guess in this dimension we will never truly know. and sorry i didnt mean to get involved w/ anything religious, just giving an example

[boingo82]

Originally Posted by Oz

But if everyone beleives it and it makes sense and it can't be disproved - is it wrong? You are both still not thinking in the right way.

Wrong things are wrong whether or not people realize it. At some point "everyone" believed the earth was flat. It was eventually disproved...but you are saying that for hundreds of years the world existed flat because everyone believed it to be.

Along the same lines, a human rights violation is a human rights violation, whether or not it is socially accepted as "ok".

[DGB454]

Originally Posted by boingo82

Wrong things are wrong whether or not people realize it. At some point "everyone" believed the earth was flat. It was eventually disproved...but you are saying that for hundreds of years the world existed flat because everyone believed it to be.

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Well, there goes the arguement I was setting him up for.

I have to try and not be so obvious on the direction I'm heading next time.

Good job Boingo. I agree with that whole statement.

[DGB454]

Originally Posted by 91300zxtt

thats how religion came about. no one can actually prove it right or wrong. there is a way to say this happened and theres no way this happened. i guess in this dimension we will never truly know. and sorry i didnt mean to get involved w/ anything religious, just giving an example

Actually I believe that "religion" (or beliefe in God) came about because of contact with God by individuals.

But I agree. We don't need to get into that on this thread.

[SeXy_AnGeL]

Originally Posted by Oz

But if everyone beleives it and it makes sense and it can't be disproved - is it wrong? You are both still not thinking in the right way.

If it can be disproved does that mean that it can't be proved either? B/c agreeing with the others here...That is religion. You cant say yes this definately happened or no this definately did not happen. I believe that the original question was "What isn't remembered, never happened. Memory is just a record, all you have to do is rewrite that record." I partially agree and disagree with that statement. I can sit here and tell you that I remember what I had for dinner last night but then I can sit here and not remember what I did last night (little too much to drink) and for all I know I could have had a huge orgy and ended up passing out alone on the beach. But I don't know that. So to me, it never happened until someone has a memory, proof of it happening and then to me, it has happened. What isnt remembered never happened in the way that my mind thinks about it.

This probably makes so logical sense so argue if you must but if you dont understand....just keep reading. Thank you!

[boingo82]

Originally Posted by xviciousx

Agree or disagree with the following?

What isn't remembered, never happened. Memory is just a record, all you have to do is rewrite that record.

Let's put this another way..
You go up into the woods, and stumble upon the cabin of a hermit. He lives on his own and nobody knows he's there. You kill him, bury the body, and on the way back out you trip, and smack your head on a rock. You wake up with a concussion and no recollection of the murder. Is the hermit still dead? Is there still a body in the ground? Yes.

[SeXy_AnGeL]

Originally Posted by boingo82

Let's put this another way..
You go up into the woods, and stumble upon the cabin of a hermit. He lives on his own and nobody knows he's there. You kill him, bury the body, and on the way back out you trip, and smack your head on a rock. You wake up with a concussion and no recollection of the murder. Is the hermit still dead? Is there still a body in the ground? Yes.

hmmm...not what I was trying to say but I do see your point. In giving this more thought though, I do think that it depends on what we're talking about. ya know?

[boingo82]

Originally Posted by SeXy_AnGeL

...So to me, it never happened until someone has a memory, proof of it happening and then to me, it has happened. What isnt remembered never happened in the way that my mind thinks about it..

OK...so if a guy slips GHB into a girl's drink at a party, and rapes her, leaving her clothed and in a bedroom, then later that night od's on ecstacy and dies, and nobody knew about the rape but him, did she still get raped? He used a condom that got flushed so there is no evidence...is it still rape?

[SeXy_AnGeL]

Originally Posted by boingo82

OK...so if a guy slips GHB into a girl's drink at a party, and rapes her, leaving her clothed and in a bedroom, then later that night od's on ecstacy and dies, and nobody knew about the rape but him, did she still get raped? He used a condom that got flushed so there is no evidence...is it still rape?

that's not what i mean. I know what i mean but it's difficult to explain i guess. I mean, i'm agreeing with you, not trying to argue really. I mean, things that one person does. If I act on my own and I dont remember it then it didn't happen. If it effect's no one else and is so trivial that it doesn't matter that i remember than it never happened...If I don't make sense, let me know and I will stop.

[Joseph1082]

Ok, I have a question, so you kill the hermit, burry the body, and get the concussion and forget... but somehow the body isn't there, then did it happen?
If some superpowerful Alien force erased today from everyone's [the entire human population] memory and reversed any permanent effects of that day, then did it happen... yes and know, depending on what you belive.