If I don't post here for while...

[carrrnuttt]

Originally Posted by YogsVR4

This whole thread was an excuse to rag on the Bush administration when they had absolutely nothing to do with it.

I really thought you were too smart to be blinded by candidate loyalty - well, I did.

"Phoenix police records indicate that Secret Service special agent Ray Lebeau requested help from Phoenix police to look for Walsh and that he was in need of psychiatric evaluation."

One: WHO does the Secret Service work for, and WHO was this agent attempting to "protect", when he contacted local authorities?

Two: Just like they would ask in court, in the T.V. crime dramas, "So, you're a psychiatrist now?" - defense, to the agent that apparently not only harrassed him to "talk" to him, but gave a psychiatric evaluation to local authorities. Hell, even real psychiatrists don't give remote diagnosis, unless by video-phone, or closed circuit.

Three: Even the man's condition during the arrest, as written by the police, cannot be completely trusted. Remember, the victor writes the history. Also, we have no clue how a man would react, after being harrassed continually by government agents, of an administration he has spoken against. He probably expected to be just silenced, upon arrest, and/or capture, so he was in martyr mode, when they arrested him. Feelings of Gestapo, maybe?

Either way, your apparent blindness/apathy to the sitauation scares me - from a claimed Libertarian, no less.

I'm sure you'll come up with a smart way to de-rationalize what I have just stated, and you'll come up with some way to "pooh-pooh" my thoughts. Should I start calling you an apologist?

[Pick]

Originally Posted by YogsVR4

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This whole thread was an excuse to rag on the Bush administration when they had absolutely nothing to do with it.

Welcome to the modern AF political forums. 95% of the threada started here are made to chastise Bush, and if that isn't their original intent, it becomes the subject real soon.

[carrrnuttt]

Originally Posted by Pick

Welcome to the modern AF political forums. 95% of the threada started here are made to chastise Bush, and if that isn't their original intent, it becomes the subject real soon.

Stay out of this kid. You're out of your league, mentally, emotionally, and politically, as evidenced by another one of your thoughtless replies that either have no bearing, or provide no additional thoughts on the thread, whatsoever.

[Pick]

Originally Posted by carrrnuttt

Stay out of this kid. You're out of your league, mentally, emotionally, and politically, as evidenced by another one of your thoughtless replies that either have no bearing, or provide no additional thoughts on the thread, whatsoever.

HAHAHA....whatever...you're not even worth replying.


And I'm REALLY beginning to dislike you. So cool it with the personal attacks.

[DGB454]

Originally Posted by carrrnuttt

I really thought you were too smart to be blinded by candidate loyalty - well, I did.

"Phoenix police records indicate that Secret Service special agent Ray Lebeau requested help from Phoenix police to look for Walsh and that he was in need of psychiatric evaluation."

One: WHO does the Secret Service work for, and WHO was this agent attempting to "protect", when he contacted local authorities?

Two: Just like they would ask in court, in the T.V. crime dramas, "So, you're a psychiatrist now?" - defense, to the agent that apparently not only harrassed him to "talk" to him, but gave a psychiatric evaluation to local authorities. Hell, even real psychiatrists don't give remote diagnosis, unless by video-phone, or closed circuit.

Three: Even the man's condition during the arrest, as written by the police, cannot be completely trusted. Remember, the victor writes the history. Also, we have no clue how a man would react, after being harrassed continually by government agents, of an administration he has spoken against. He probably expected to be just silenced, upon arrest, and/or capture, so he was in martyr mode, when they arrested him. Feelings of Gestapo, maybe?

Either way, your apparent blindness/apathy to the sitauation scares me - from a claimed Libertarian, no less.

I'm sure you'll come up with a smart way to de-rationalize what I have just stated, and you'll come up with some way to "pooh-pooh" my thoughts. Should I start calling you an apologist?

I can't comment on what Yogs will say or even answer for him so I won't. What I will say is "The man carried a semi-automatic weapon around and was going to kill himself and was yelling kill me , kill me....

I would say he was long overdue for psychiatric care." (or at the very least evaluation). The way I understand it from the story he is getting just that. If I had a neighbor carrying around a semi automatic weapon in a holster you can bet I would call the cops to (at the very least) investigate him. Wouldn't you wouldn't do the same?

[91300zxtt]

its a conspiracy, he might have known something. you cant be 100%sure he ever did that, just as you cant be 100% sure he didnt. its one person over anothers.

and PICK, CAR was right, you seem not to really be contributing anything other than saying something negative about the forum, maybe it is out of your league man

[YogsVR4]

Originally Posted by carrrnuttt

I really thought you were too smart to be blinded by candidate loyalty - well, I did.

"Phoenix police records indicate that Secret Service special agent Ray Lebeau requested help from Phoenix police to look for Walsh and that he was in need of psychiatric evaluation."

One: WHO does the Secret Service work for, and WHO was this agent attempting to "protect", when he contacted local authorities?

Two: Just like they would ask in court, in the T.V. crime dramas, "So, you're a psychiatrist now?" - defense, to the agent that apparently not only harrassed him to "talk" to him, but gave a psychiatric evaluation to local authorities. Hell, even real psychiatrists don't give remote diagnosis, unless by video-phone, or closed circuit.

Three: Even the man's condition during the arrest, as written by the police, cannot be completely trusted. Remember, the victor writes the history. Also, we have no clue how a man would react, after being harrassed continually by government agents, of an administration he has spoken against. He probably expected to be just silenced, upon arrest, and/or capture, so he was in martyr mode, when they arrested him. Feelings of Gestapo, maybe?

Either way, your apparent blindness/apathy to the sitauation scares me - from a claimed Libertarian, no less.

I'm sure you'll come up with a smart way to de-rationalize what I have just stated, and you'll come up with some way to "pooh-pooh" my thoughts. Should I start calling you an apologist?

This has nothing to do with canidate loyalty. Anyone who is threatened by someone else should be investigated and if it meets the requirements for an arrest, then one should be made.

It scares me that because some are so blinded by their hatred for Bush that they are using this as a reason to bash him. What part did he or his administration play? The secret service reports to congress - not the executive branch. This isn't a rationalization, its the facts.

Consider all the blogs and threads on the web that bad mouth or call for the death of Bush and now there is ONE guy who's been arrested because he made a threat and owns (legally or not) a semi automatic weapon. If someone like that threatened the local prinicple the same thing would have happened - he would have been arrested.

Add the fact that the guy was saying "Kill me, kill me" is another indication that this guy was unstable.

So let me review

Secret Service - not associated to the excutive branch
Loonatic making death threats - authorities take threats serious and arrest the guy.

Its quite a leap to take that and have

he was posting it on the internet, supposedly the last bastion of free-speech on this planet

Hooray for the Patriot Act!

Kiss goodbye to your right to free speech courtesy of George W[armonger] Bush!

Unless they can prove that he was actually PLOTTING the assasination, and/or was organizing people over the internet to do such, what ranting he did over the internet does NOT warrant what happened.

- Its not the ranting on the internet, but threatening the life of anyone certainly is. The courts will decide if he did or didn't

You call for blind loyalty when its a case of blind hatred

[Murco]

Originally Posted by taranaki

Not at all. The guy was responding in an excessive manner to an excessive event.Report a crime to the police,and they'll most likely shrug,issue you with the paperwork for your insurance claim,and go back to eating their donuts.

Exercise your right to free speech,however,and they'll send the spooks looking for you.The man made no threats of violence against Bush.Wishing someone dead is not the same as announcing an intention to kill him.

Clearly the guy is unstable,but no more unstable than an administration that sends a S.W.A.T. team with weapons drawn in search of its critics.

Once again,it looks increasingly like something that Saddam would do.

Do you live in the US, Naki? No, so how would you know how our police react to crimes, TV? Whacky internet sources?
And do you really think the Bush administration sent the SWAT team after him?
You have a very vivid imagination and far too much time on your hands...

[werwolf-23]

Snoozes from me -- free speech has been going out the window for a long time.

[/quote=YogsVR4]Edit: I forgot to mention that the administration can't order the Secret Service to do anything. They work for the Congress.[/quote]

Nit picked: They work for Treasury (originally being counter-counterfeiters exclusively): http://www.ustreas.gov/usss/index.shtml and, I'm reasonably sure, now that they're under Homeland Security the executive branch actually COULD give them specific missions.

Do I think the White House did?

Of course not. I would be (even more) appalled by the administration if they had nothing better to do than go harrass people who post idiocy on the Net. C'mon, that's just ridiculous... I'm thinking what we have here is just an example of stupid post-9/11 police/public paranoia.

"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." -- Albert Einstein