why imports are better than muscle cars

[bluevette74]

fuck chevy and potiac? dude fuck you, the zo6 will ass rape your bitch,ass. And even though there not selling them anymore doesnt mean that their gone off the face of the earth. camaro ss's are still running around bitch slapping all of your hondas and nissans. so unitl you can sell a skyline for 55,000 and make it beat a z06, shut the hell up!

[flylwsi]

wow. you can get a skyline for that price. go to motorex.net
you can get an r32 or r33, which both have the same perf numbers as the r34, for around that price.

his point was not fuck chevy and pontiac b/c they are bad, he was simply pointing out that they shot themselves in the foot. they do not appeal as much to the crowd that is buying a sports car right now. that has a LOT to do with fuel economy, at least for me anyways...

this is a similar cyclical flow that happened in the 70's when we had the gas crisis. the automotive market, like everything else, is cyclical. why not calm down and look at what the post meant, not what he said. i dont think you can really debate something when you are talking about ass raping an econo car with a car that is closer to supercar status. i'm sure if honda and nissan made a car in the zo6 price range, that was supposed to compete with the zo6, they could prolly do it. but they dont want to. or dont have to.

either way, there is no way to compare skylines and vettes... simply b/c of price for a "new" one. but buy an older skyline, and you gotta problem on your hands... b/c they are quick...

[Blackbird01]

Imports use cheap gas and american cars use "race fuel"...
LOL. Ever seen a FAST Import? I'll bet 99% of them have a turbo of some sort running TONS of boost....
What kinda gas do you have to run to crank the boost up that high?

DING DING DING!

Thats right ladies and gentlemen, HIGH OCTANE RACE FUEL!!!!!!!!!!

Secondly, the "old Big Blocks" ruined it for us? Umm. No.
Back in the day, there WERE no emissions. Not so that big blocks could run around....Because they didn't NEED THEM. The government didn't feel the need to regulate them. So, if you want to blame anyone for strict emissions standards, you can blame the government. Dipshit.

This whole post is a load of shit....
Import vs Domestic wars are getting old, and VERY lame.

[flylwsi]

hey...
i talked about fuel economy. thats called a gas crisis. and smog eqpt on a 302 that made it put out less than 150hp isnt a strangled motor? hmm...

also... on a built n/a domestic, you gots to run some high octane fuel there too my friend. dont knock me if you dont know me. and dont call me a dipshit if you cant read what i said.

[flylwsi]

ONE more thing...
if this is so old, why did you decide to post here? why bother to fuel the fire? oh yeah, b/c you are misinformed about imports.

"The government didn't feel the need to regulate them. So, if you want to blame anyone for strict emissions standards, you can blame the government"
oh, what exactly does this mean, since it says nothing?
since you say the govt is not to blame, but we should blame them? the reason the power dropped was to make a car that could run on low octane, and not be a gas guzzler.

[NismoDrifts]

wow, will this gay shit ever stop

i respect any car regardless of where it comes from.......its the best thing to do....i mean jap vs. domestic.......its like frikkin car RACISM....

not every single japanese car in the world ever made ever end of story is gonna be excellent godlike perfect on gas and reliable......same goes for domestics......a car is a car, its an individual....lets drop the gay racism and get back to talkin about what we love. Im about to buy a firebird........but im hesitating.......coz i dont wanna have to knock the shit out of every honda that thinks hes a bad ass.......same if i get an import...every vette in town is gonna try to run me thinkin im an easy kill ricer........its out of hand people, it really is

about skylines....if you cant put up (and i believe only the NZers here can) then SHUT UP

[Crackerman]

They all have their high points and low points, and they all get great gas mileage(the new ones anyways). Imports(as known in america) were designed to be economy cars, boring and dull commuters that got good gas mileage in the fuel scares of the '70's and '80's, when is the last time you saw a 405 horse car that could better 28 mpg on the highway(ZO6) naturally aspirated? Ok, now name the last time you saw an import do that naturally aspirated and still run low 12's? The point is they are all equal, some just happen to have 2 or4 more cylinders and make a hell of a lot more horsepower, make fast what you can, if u can only afford a honduh, then make it fast or same with an american car. But let the timeslips and the skidpad results talk for themselves. The name of the game is hot rodding, DEFINED as- anything you do do yuor car to make it faster/handle/stop better, we are a world divided here and there will always be an argument over this topic. So keep on arguing, but i'll stick with my american cars, so they don't last as long and get worse gs mileage(kinda hard to do when we're at WOT all the time because we're stomping import ass all the time) but we can still have the horsepower and full interiors and ride in comfort. RACE ON brethren

[flylwsi]

your post was really good until you got to the anti import shiet.
i know you are about american cars, but hell, if you spend47k on a zo6, it better run 12s. and the 28mpg is kinda off, b/c they have a six speed that puts 70 around 2000 rpm. if i had a 6th gear in my prelude, i could get something like 40mpg, instead of the close to 30 i get.
also...
if you spend 47k on a car that can run 12s, im sure there are reliable imports that can run twelves and have good mpg. my friend just turboed his civic si, and it runs low 13s untuned. and it still pushes out high 20mpg. and it cost, total, under 23k to build. so it can hang onto that zo6, and tuned, it may beat it. granted, it's turboed, but its at least on that idea. and if anything, what about the signal and spoon cars that rev waaaay high, and still run reliable on the street and low 13ish on teh streets? again for way less money.

the point here i guess, is that if i could afford a zo6, i would sure as fuck have one. but i cant. so i have a prelude that i want to build to at least rival a zo6. the same goes for any domestic owner. you have a car that you want your car to beat, or at least run with. you build whatever you got ( I or D) to get that status.
that is what we are here for.

and give us some credit, b/c we have 1/2 to 1/3 the displacement, and can run some respectable numbers and handle like all getout in perspective.

and i own a domestic too, so im not biased, i like both... my hot rod truck turns heads with the hot rod crowd, and my prelude turns heads either way b/c its yellow and loud.

and to keep talking, remember that back in the 60s, the muscle cars (mustangs, camaros, etc) were considered compact cars, which makes them sport compact cars, (this is from watching speedvision, im not just spewin shiet)
so we have our new generation sport compacts just like they did in the 60s... same shiet different era.

[Blackbird01]

"also... on a built n/a domestic, you gots to run some high octane fuel there too my friend. dont knock me if you dont know me. and dont call me a dipshit if you cant read what i said."

Well you MUST be right. Since I own a domestic with HIGH COMPRESSION (11:1)...I guess I should be running 110 octane then, instead of my measly 'ol 93 octane. Your whole argument was that the FAST domestics have to use high octane gas, and the fast imports don't. Well, I've already proved you wrong on that ignorant statement...
Any seriously fast car, regardless of whether or not it's an import or domestic is going to need high octane gasoline, if not methanol or alcohol. It's simple, to make the car fast, you raise compression. To raise compression, you MUST add octane to prevent detonation.


"ONE more thing...
if this is so old, why did you decide to post here? why bother to fuel the fire? oh yeah, b/c you are misinformed about imports. "

Yep. That's me. "Mr. Misinformed about Imports", even though 1/2 my friends OWN fast imports. Sorry, maybe I'm just misinformed about SLOW imports. A few of my friends have Supras that are running faster then you could ever hope to go.

"The government didn't feel the need to regulate them. So, if you want to blame anyone for strict emissions standards, you can blame the government"
oh, what exactly does this mean, since it says nothing?
since you say the govt is not to blame, but we should blame them? the reason the power dropped was to make a car that could run on low octane, and not be a gas guzzler.

Maybe you should REREAD that statement. I said, you CAN'T BLAME THE BIG BLOCK CARS...I never said NOT TO BLAME THE GOVERNMENT.
In fact, it was the government that felt emissions weren't needed. It wasn't until the late 60s/early 70s that the government began to realize that we needed to do something.
So, like I said before, if you want to blame anyone for our strict emissions standards, you can blame the GOVERNMENT for not realizing we needed them SOONER.

When stricter emissions standards came about, power wasn't dropped because they wanted to run on low octane fuel. It was dropped because at the time, they didn't know HOW to make lotsa power and still pass emissions. They were forced to drop the power in order to meet emissions standards.

And don't come on here saying all you came on here to do was "show how much people hate imports" and how were so MISINFORMED.
You, me and everyone else on this board KNOW you didn't come on here to do that. You came on here to start a bitching war. A war thats already been done WAY too many times....

[flylwsi]

i specifically did not say racing fuel dumbass. i said high octane. like 93/4. i DID NOT SAY 110. FIND IT AND I'LL ADMIT IT. 93 IS HIGH OCTANE COMPARED TO 87, ISNT IT? THAT IS WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT. THERE ARE TONS OF FAST IMPORTS RUNNIN 93 OCTANE THAT ARE RUNNIN 12S. IM WASTING MY TIME ARGUING WITH YOU, B/C WE ARE APPARENTLY ON TWO DIFFERENT LEVELS. AND PLEASE DONT THINK YOU ARE SO MUCH MORE INFORMED B/C YOU HAVE FRIENDS WITH FAST IMPORTS. DO YOU OWN ONE? DID I SAY MINE WAS FAST AS A ZO6? NOPE. OK THEN.

[bluevette74]

any car running 12's and lower has to use 93 or better octane, if you dont it will cause pre ignition knock! And you have to remember even though your civic turbo si runs 13's and you say can hang with a z06, it still cant stop or take curves like a z06! uh, lick my weiner!

[Blackbird01]

ZO6's dont run 13's either.

I guess I'm thinking on a different level of FAST.
If you're talking about 12's being fast, then I'm just thinking about FASTER cars.

I dont doubt an import can run 12s on 93 octane.
Wow. My friends Supra used to do it all the time.
So did my car....

I was referring to the FAST cars, and I guess I thought you were too.

[flylwsi]

how do you know anything about this civic?
it will at least handle as good as a zo6.
it isnt a straight line car.
it was designed to run the corners just like it does the straights.

and on stopping, if you know anything about aem's big brake kit, you know the civic will outstop a ferrari 360 modena.

your weiner has not been licked. sorry.

and i did note that high octane is necessary, 93 ish. can no one read?

[flylwsi]

did i mention an import that runs 12s on 87?
i dont think so. i never stated that ever.

however, this civic will run low 13s on street gas. just like a zo6 will. and handle like one, and outstop it.

and...
you know damn well that really fast imports are dedicated drag cars in the 8s and what not. so a 13 sec street car is pretty nice to have, no?

[Polygon]

My hell this has turned into a flamewar once again.

BTW: The Z06 has GREAT road holding ability and unles you have modified your suspesion and other things, the Z06 will out handle your Civic any day of the week.

Just my .02 cents.