d16z6

[civicx_xracer]

Right on Ghetto! Now you can change your model letter to EX! Or are you gonna let people think you still have a CX??

[grncivicdhr]

with all of the parts i listed in my last post why would a 30 or so hp gain be so unbelevable. its not just the head, keep in mind that i have other things doen to the car. as far as my 1/4 time...its a 160 hp car, who cars. if i considered 160 hp fast i sould have a few more stickers on my car. i used to sell Si's theres a great tuner car but i wouldn't call them fast out of the box so beating an Si in a race isn't something i'm bragging about. i grew up around V8s, my uncles chevelle SS, so it'll take alot more work til i'm impressed with my car.

[Rice-Rocketeer]

Originally posted by RickDaTuner
if you are an able body mechanic you can get a D16z6 up top around 400hp for about $1500 N/A this motor really isnt best with FI

Damn, this thread gets better and better everytime I look at it. Next I'll hear my d15b7 with a 50 shot will take Ferrari's.

[VTEC_boi]

With SpiralMax you can get around 1000hp on 87 octane.

the D16Z6 is an able motor. But will take a LOT of coaxing to get around 400hp

[RickDaTuner]

Originally posted by Rice-Rocketeer


Damn, this thread gets better and better everytime I look at it. Next I'll hear my d15b7 with a 50 shot will take Ferrari's.

last year in honda tuning there was a guy that took his d16 and reworked the internals by himself using all gude parts he managed to get 440hp out of it N/A notjing is imposible you just have to know how to do it
one of his comments was that Hp is all compresion and fuel delivery,
i didnt beleive it myself, one of my friends kept telling me about it, i only trully beleived hom when i saw the article mabey i can pull one of the net and show you guys.
its not to say that every one who tunes the D16 will get his much out of it, just an example of what it can do!

[RickDaTuner]

check this guy out
well i cant find the specifc issue butif some of you reacll it was a white civic hacth the guy used to live in califorinia and his mom had bough him his car

[grncivicdhr]

heres alittle fact for all of you DOHC people talking shit on the d16. in about the 88 or 89 season of F1 (i maybe wrong about the year but i know it was during the time that the M6 was out) BMW had a 1.3 liter SOHC F1 car that was turbo charged and made over 1100hp. the technology in the d16 would probably blow that old as engine away, so why would a high hp d16 be so unbeleivable. i don't know about 400+ hp but i do know that numbers near and over 300hp are attainable for a fact from a local shop called IMPO performance. don't quote me wrong, i'm not sayin that i'm gonna build you guys a 1100hp d16 but its a good engine to work with if you wanna do something origional and not do a B-serious like every magazine would have you beleive that you have to.

[nemesls_2000]

Originally posted by grncivicdhr
heres alittle fact for all of you DOHC people talking shit on the d16. in about the 88 or 89 season of F1 (i maybe wrong about the year but i know it was during the time that the M6 was out) BMW had a 1.3 liter SOHC F1 car that was turbo charged and made over 1100hp. the technology in the d16 would probably blow that old as engine away, so why would a high hp d16 be so unbeleivable. i don't know about 400+ hp but i do know that numbers near and over 300hp are attainable for a fact from a local shop called IMPO performance. don't quote me wrong, i'm not sayin that i'm gonna build you guys a 1100hp d16 but its a good engine to work with if you wanna do something origional and not do a B-serious like every magazine would have you beleive that you have to.

Proud to say that, I too, have a SOHC D16...

[SRHguru]

D16 for life!!!... Great engine to throw a turbo on!!!!

[Poweredbyhonda]

thanx guys, im prob. going to keep the d16, and fix the internals to put a turbo or supercharger on it.
thanx again.

[Rice-Rocketeer]

Originally posted by RickDaTuner
last year in honda tuning there was a guy that took his d16 and reworked the internals by himself using all gude parts he managed to get 440hp out of it N/A notjing is imposible you just have to know how to do it
one of his comments was that Hp is all compresion and fuel delivery,
i didnt beleive it myself, one of my friends kept telling me about it, i only trully beleived hom when i saw the article mabey i can pull one of the net and show you guys.
its not to say that every one who tunes the D16 will get his much out of it, just an example of what it can do!

You know what the key to power is in a naturally aspirated enviorment? Displacement. The D16 isn't exactly overflowing with extra room there.

No, nothing is impossible but I can tell you one thing, unless you can make the pistons by hand, it is HIGHLY improbable that you can get 400 hp NA out of most ANY honda engine, let alone a D16 for $1500. Do you know what you'd need to do? First off you'd need to get the entire thing resleeved. MAKE a custom billet crankshaft from scratch and then make customs rods and pistons out of something with the tinsel strength of titanium reinforced carbon kevlar. Now with the rotating assembly in the right ratio, you need to reinforce EVERY part connected to it. This includes making a new transmission and reinforcing ALL drivetrain components.

Naturally Aspirated? Well, the key to NA is headwork, how much can you flow and how well? You'd need to fully race port the head, get better valve springs and valves and get such a radical camshaft that you couldn't keep the engine on while idling.

I don't feel like going over every step you should take but among the other high dollar things you'd need, would be a fully programmable engine management system tuned and programmed by a team of honda engineers with hundreds of hours of dyno tuning.

Maybe you've heard of L'Natural? They have an NA CRX running 10's. Impressive no? They took a CRX HF and stuffed the largest displacement engine they could stuff in there, an H22A. They then resleeved it giving it 2.5 liters of displacement and raised the compression ratio to 16:1. Almost TWICE that of a D16. You know how much power it made? 250hp on $6 a gallon high octane race fuel.

Similarly engineered 8 and 9 second civics are running GSR engine, turbocharged to brink of extinction and make high 500's.

And after knowing all this, you still want to tell me that for $1500 you can get 400hp out of a NA D16???

[Rice-Rocketeer]

Originally posted by grncivicdhr
heres alittle fact for all of you DOHC people talking shit on the d16. in about the 88 or 89 season of F1 (i maybe wrong about the year but i know it was during the time that the M6 was out) BMW had a 1.3 liter SOHC F1 car that was turbo charged and made over 1100hp. the technology in the d16 would probably blow that old as engine away, so why would a high hp d16 be so unbeleivable. i don't know about 400+ hp but i do know that numbers near and over 300hp are attainable for a fact from a local shop called IMPO performance. don't quote me wrong, i'm not sayin that i'm gonna build you guys a 1100hp d16 but its a good engine to work with if you wanna do something origional and not do a B-serious like every magazine would have you beleive that you have to.

Geez, no wonder fuckin domestics laugh at us. You here are actually comparing a fully race engineered F1 BMW engine with a D16? Oh and the D16 has more advanced technology.

Hi, I think you need a clue here.

Do you know how much money formula teams spend on engineering engines? Do you know the redline of an engine like that? Do you really think you can compare the amount of time and energy put into completely designing an engine like that with an economy engine like the D16?

I seriously hope I'm not wasting my breath here.

[Rice-Rocketeer]

Originally posted by RickDaTuner
check this guy out
well i cant find the specifc issue butif some of you reacll it was a white civic hacth the guy used to live in califorinia and his mom had bough him his car

The link doesn't work but I do remember a phenominal white hatch I put in the FAQ.

http://www.hotrod.com/editorial/arti...&viewtype=text

Think you can do all that yourself?

[grncivicdhr]

dude, that BMW F1 engine was from the 80s, i'm sure if you compared the two, that F1 engine and the d16, those technitions back then would have been pretty impressed with the d16. i have no idea what place i have in this whole discussion, but i was tryin to make a simple point that the d16 is an able, and capable engine to make the kind of power most people on this forum are looking for. i only want maybe 250 hp out of mine using forced induction, a turbo most likely, so i know i don't need an h22 or B-series engine. as fas as the naturaly aspirated d16 makin 400hp, i'd have to see real proof of that too. i'm sorry to say that if any of use were serious about real hp we'd have V8s under our hoods, good thing i picked up that 68 mustang last month.

[grncivicdhr]

i know damn well of the time and money that goes into an F! engine as well is the fact that it probably had like 14000rpm red line, my main point, since you missed it while you were glorifying yourself, was that it was only 1.3 ltrs and SOHC. but thanks for stating somethin so obvious