hey!

[eckoman_pdx]

If you put an H22 in a civic you won't corner worht a damn. It adds to much weight to the front of the car and induces too much understeer. The car will do fine in a striaght line, but won't corner worth anything. The H22 in a civic is really only good for a drag motor in this sense..if you like the twisties or autocrossing, etc...the H22 is not a good choice...

The Type-R motor (USDM B18C5, JDM type-r is B18C) is considered the best naturally asperiated motor honda makes. It makes the most power out of any of the 1.6 or 1.8,s and it's power per liter ratio is pretty high. It is spendy, but is the best honda motor out of the box, and it a good naturally asperiated motor.

If forced induction (i.e turbocharger) is your thing, then I wouldn't recommend any of these motors. The B18B1 is a good motor to turbocharge. It has a low compression ratio, which helps reduce the risk of detination. If you know what you are doing and keep it tuned right, you can safly run it at 12psi on stock internals (I'd say go 12psi at the track, 10psi on the street).

The GSR and B16A can take boost too, but it's usually recommended not to go more than 8psi with these motors (it is always possible for somehow who really knows their stuff and there ecu and engine tunign to bend the numbers, but these numbers will generally hold true as a guidline.

[CivicSiRacer]

Originally Posted by nacho_nissan

kool. so your a kool honda guy you should have a talk with those kids who buy a wing and a fart can for their cars. i know someone with a wing and stickers on a "phat CRX" is reading this, but yall still can change. take kicker1_solo as yall's idol. anyway, props to you bro for having knowledge about your car! same to all you people who destroy and play with those camaros and mustangs

Well also realize every group of car owners have rice. I know lots of Nissan rice, Mazda rice, Ford rice.

But my 1988 CRX Si which was about 1900lbs? I forget ran the 1/4 mile just as fast as my 2700lbs 2000 Honda Civic Si. Even though the CRX had around 110hp and my Civic Si has 180hp.

[eckoman_pdx]

Originally Posted by CivicSiRacer

Well also realize every group of car owners have rice. I know lots of Nissan rice, Mazda rice, Ford rice.

But my 1988 CRX Si which was about 1900lbs? I forget ran the 1/4 mile just as fast as my 2700lbs 2000 Honda Civic Si. Even though the CRX had around 110hp and my Civic Si has 180hp.

Yeah, rice isn't just a honda term, any car can be "rice" in the extent it is usually used. It's more of an attitude I would say, and the car usually ends up reflecting that attitude...

That's a good example, the CRX and Si, of why the power-to-weight ratio of a car matters, and why the little rex has a devoted following. At 1900 lbs, it doesn't take a ton of power to make that car go fast.

[nacho_nissan]

yeah, i didnt say just honda was rice. but anyway, i wanna learn more about engine codes. i know the b18c, c4, c5, b16a, b16b, and some D series i dont really care about. can someone please tell me of some i should know about? and what do they come in?

[eckoman_pdx]

Originally Posted by nacho_nissan

yeah, i didnt say just honda was rice. but anyway, i wanna learn more about engine codes. i know the b18c, c4, c5, b16a, b16b, and some D series i dont really care about. can someone please tell me of some i should know about? and what do they come in?

USDM Motors

B18B1...called the LS. 142HP 127 lbs ft of torque and 9.2:1 c/r. It achives peak torque at a lower rpm than any other b-series motor, 5200rpm for 127 ft-lbs vs the GSR 128ft-lbs @a around 6200rpm. It came in the LS, RS, and GS Integras from 94+, it is considered the best Honda Motor for Boost, and is non-vtec. It can handle uypwards of 12psi on stock internals, and has the lowest compression ratio of the b-series, which helps make it turbo friendly. An LS/Vtec is when you put a GSR, B16A or Type-R vtec head on an B18B1 block.

B18C1...The GSR motor, vtec. GSR Integras from 94+. 170hp, 128 ft-lbs of torque, 10.0:1 c/r

B17A...90-93 GSR motor, Vtec 160hp, about 113 ft-lbs of torque or so.

B18A1...the LS trim motor from 90-93 Integra. 130hp and 121 ft-lbs of torque in 90-91, 140hp in 92-93.

B16A...came in the Del Sol Vtec and the 99-00 Si, vtec. 158hp, 111 ft-lbs of torque and 10.2:1 c/r

B18C5...came in the Integra-Type-R, vtec...195hp 127 ft lbs of torque, 10.6:1 c/r

JDM

B16A...the 1st gen JDM B16A had 158hp and 111ft-lbs of torque, like the USDM ones...the 2nd gen JDM B16A's had 168hp and a little more torque...the JDM B16A has a slightly hihger c/r than the USDM ones. This motor came in 90-93 SiR tegs and in 88+ Civics. 88-91 is 1st gen, 92+ is 2nd gen for the B16A. 10.4:1 c/r in 2nd gen, 10.2:1 1st gen c/r.

B16B...The Civic Type-R motor...184HP, 10.6:1 c/r.

B18C (SiR)...Came in the Integra SiR (comparable to our GSR motor and trim line)...178hp...has a higher c/r than the USDM comparable motor (10.6:1)

B18C (Type-R)...came in the JDM type-R, 198-200hp and 133 ft-lbs of torque...10.6:1

[YOUNGSTER]

i think you forgot the h series and f series and k series lol jp/ing with you man

[nacho_nissan]

oh yeah, what about those K engines?

[eckoman_pdx]

Originally Posted by nacho_nissan

oh yeah, what about those K engines?

You only asked about the B-series...so that's what I covered...here's a very brief run down on the K and H series.

The F-series is the 2.2 liter version of the d-series for the most part, you won't be swaping that into a car any time soon. For the most part, it's the weakest of honda's 2.2 liter motors...94-97 Accord EX, for example, came with an F22B1, it is 140hp and 149 ft-lbs of torque from 2.2 liters. The F22B2 (non-ex Accord motor) was 130hp and 139 ft-lbs of torque...there is a Euro-Accord f-series motor which is pretty good, but it's not too commen. I believe off the top of my head...it's around 190-200hp, though don't quote me. I can't remember the engine code off the topof my head.

The K20A2 is the RSX motor, and the H22 is the prelude motor...the H23 is the non-vtec prelude motor....sticking a K20 head on a K24 block (new CRX) is the new version of LS/Vtec.

The Prelude H22's vary between 195 and 220hp, depending on generation, jdm, usdm, etc...like I said, stick this is a civic and you won't corner well. It is 2.2 liters.

The K20A2 (RSX-Type-S) is a 2.0 liter motor, 200hp 160 lb-ft of torque motor it is the only honda k-series motor (other than the JDM Type-R K series) that use Vtec like it's normally use din the b-series, the other k-series for the most part use vtec for emissions more, and only operate some of the valves during pre-vtec...for emissions purposes, basically tuned for emissions and not power. The RSX-type-s K-series motor basically operates it in the convertonial manner we have come to know and love.

[nacho_nissan]

kool. but why does that S2000 engine suck so bad??? well i know its fast, but not even Mugen can get HP out of it??

[spaghetti&]

nothing can
it's a shitbox

[quickkitty]

i 2nd that

[spaghetti&]

i third your secomendation

[quickkitty]

if it says made in japan its low grade

[spaghetti&]

if it's made out of recycled beer cans it's made in japan.
i think the pistons still say budweiser on the sides

[Ace$nyper]

damn where are the mods tonight? noones banned these wanklings

BTW the S2k motor is very high strung it can get HP squeezed outta it but ts not easy