Making Type R horsepower

[jcrx]

You can build a D series motor to be faster if you wanted. It's all about the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

[IntegraB16]

I think were all starting to stray away from the original question. He just wants to know how to go fast and thinks that the Type-R is a good motor, naturally because of how much HP it comes with stock. So.. lets start tossing some numbers around.. Type-R comes with 200HP and they cost around $5,000. Atleast where I live. Your run of the mill LS motors come with about 140 HP and you can probably pick one up for $1,000 or less. I will sell mine for $500 with tranny. Anyway, you are practically paying $4,000 dollars for about 60 HP. I know that the Type-R motors are probably built better but for $4,000 I can put that in an LS engine and make A LOT more HP and TQ that what a type-R has. Thats just how I think.. I have heard that the B20 it the best for boosting and making a lot of TQ. I could be wrong. But it seems to me that if you really want to make a lot of power and spend less money I would just buy a B20 or B18, Upgrade all the internals and the head so i can rev up to about 9500 then boost it. I'm sure it would have a lot more power than a Type-R and cost a lot less. Plus the type-R is built so well from stock it really takes a lot of money to buy parts that are better than what is in it to begin with. But thats just how i see things.

[edman24]

Originally Posted by IntegraB16

I think were all starting to stray away from the original question. He just wants to know how to go fast and thinks that the Type-R is a good motor, naturally because of how much HP it comes with stock. So.. lets start tossing some numbers around.. Type-R comes with 200HP and they cost around $5,000. Atleast where I live. Your run of the mill LS motors come with about 140 HP and you can probably pick one up for $1,000 or less. I will sell mine for $500 with tranny. Anyway, you are practically paying $4,000 dollars for about 60 HP. I know that the Type-R motors are probably built better but for $4,000 I can put that in an LS engine and make A LOT more HP and TQ that what a type-R has. Thats just how I think.. I have heard that the B20 it the best for boosting and making a lot of TQ. I could be wrong. But it seems to me that if you really want to make a lot of power and spend less money I would just buy a B20 or B18, Upgrade all the internals and the head so i can rev up to about 9500 then boost it. I'm sure it would have a lot more power than a Type-R and cost a lot less. Plus the type-R is built so well from stock it really takes a lot of money to buy parts that are better than what is in it to begin with. But thats just how i see things.

you are absolutely correct, but there is more to it. for a daily driven car, i would much rather have a type r motor over a built ls turbo. also, if you are a fan of NA tuning (which i am) then you wont consider the ls turbo as an option. but if overall speed and a tight budget are what youre after, then you cant beat ls turbo. b20 is good too but the cylinder walls are so thin they will blow a lot faster.

also about a b16 being faster than a type r motor. yes it is possible. but you porbably wont be maintaining the 1.6 liter displacement. everyone needs to understand that all b series motors are made out of the same exact block and head. the difference is the bore, and the way the head is worked. so any b series motor can be made fast. some just cost more than others.

[CVTodd1]

Yeah, if I planned on boosting, (which I would love to) I would go with the LS motor, or a B20, or even a gsr motor, if I had the money for it, but I plan on staying N/A, and it will be a daily driver. I know if you boost your car right, it can stay pretty reliable for a daily driver, but I would rather do that in the future. The price of the Type R motor is a drag though, I know B16's are quick, my friend has one in his hatch, with decent tires, intake, short shifter, and he ran mid 14's, so they're quick. I will contenplate the idea of a B16, but the B18's are still a consideration. Thanks for the idea's.

Todd

[jcrx]

Originally Posted by edman24

everyone needs to understand that all b series motors are made out of the same exact block and head. the difference is the bore, and the way the head is worked. so any b series motor can be made fast. some just cost more than others.

No, they are not.

The B16A has the same head as the ITR/CTR, but, a smaller block, not just displacement, but physically a shorter deck height. Thay all have different cams, except the ITR/CTR exhaust, and the 01 intake.

The GSR has different shaped combustion chambers, different cams, different bolt pattern on the IM.

The difference isn't the bore, all B series are the same 81mm bore, except the CRV which is 84mm, the difference there are the rod lengths.

[edman24]

Originally Posted by jcrx

No, they are not.

The B16A has the same head as the ITR/CTR, but, a smaller block, not just displacement, but physically a shorter deck height. Thay all have different cams, except the ITR/CTR exhaust, and the 01 intake.

The GSR has different shaped combustion chambers, different cams, different bolt pattern on the IM.

The difference isn't the bore, all B series are the same 81mm bore, except the CRV which is 84mm, the difference there are the rod lengths.

ok ok so you want to get that technical? my point was to reinforce the fact that all these motors have essentially the same potential. i knew the cams were different because that was part of what i meant when i said the heads are worked differently. and that also includes the fact that the gsr head has a lower dome in the combustion chamber placing the actual combustion lower in the cylinder and raising compression. to be honest the only thing i missed with the oversimplification i made of the b-series is the fact the b16 has a lower deck height. that i will admit i did not know but thanks for filling me in. and isnt the difference between an 81mm piston, and 84 mm piston mean that there is a difference in bore?

[edman24]

oh yah and to keep adding to the b series info were spitting here, the type r motors have different valve springs then the rest, and the ctr motor has moly impregnated internals. also the gsr motor is the only one with a dual stage manifold which is why the bolt pattern is different. and just because the b16 has a lower deck height does not mean it is not cut out of the same block. it merely has been decked lower than the others. oh and cant forget the valve covers. type r motors have red ones.

is there anything else i have missed?

[Ricochet]

Originally Posted by CVTodd1

my friend has one in his hatch, with decent tires, intake, short shifter, and he ran mid 14's, so they're quick.

I ran a 14.9@92mph on steelies with shitty tires so yeah that sounds about right. With a grippy clutch, drags, and a nice suspension, low 14's are very possible. That's about what the newer, stock 4.6 gt's are running around my area.

[jcrx]

Yes, the first and second gen B16as have different thermostat housings, and the GSRs block girdle. Also the oil squirters on the vtec models. :P

The way it sound on your original post was almost that the difference is bore indicated that they didn't all have the same bore, but instead it was determined by displacement. Maybe I read too much into it, but if I could, than someone else could too.

[edman24]

Originally Posted by jcrx

Yes, the first and second gen B16as have different thermostat housings, and the GSRs block girdle. Also the oil squirters on the vtec models. :P

The way it sound on your original post was almost that the difference is bore indicated that they didn't all have the same bore, but instead it was determined by displacement. Maybe I read too much into it, but if I could, than someone else could too.

no problem, i understand i was a little too vague. im just glad there are more people on here now that know what theyre talking about

[ProjectCivic]

right on

[Ricochet]

You bring back an old ass thread to say right on?

[XixGenuinexiX]

Hahahaha ^^

[tran_nsx]

Originally Posted by Ricochet

You bring back an old ass thread to say right on?

still funny though.