2003 bmw m3 vs 04 cadillac cts-v

[Rakshas]

yeah you know those pesky pushrods.

Who wants a 5.7 ltr with 29 mpg gas milaeage and 350hp.

I woudl much rather take my 4.6 SOHC with 260 hp and 25mpg

No questions there.

[V8slayer]

Sorry, must correct myself. I love the DB9. But I know for a fact that Dr Ulrich Bez did not allow anyone from parent company Ford to meddle in the project. Otherwise I would never consider it.

[GDK]

I dont know about the CTS Type V man...It did get beat by a saturn Ion Redline around the Nurburgring by a minute so how hot can it be?

[DinanM3_S2]

The stats between the CTS-V and the M3 are about the same, but the true beauty of BMWs lies not in power or torque, but in its handling. I've said it before and i'll say it again, unless its a Porsche, nothing handles like a BMW. 1/4 mile times and 0-60 are great on both cars, but on a track you would look rediculous driving a Caddilac, even the CTS-V against a M3.

Besides being a better track car, the BMW will simply be more fun on the road then a CTS-V. I see the CTS as a closer competitor to the M5 since it has more of a family car image then the sporty M3. The only people I could see buying a CTS-V are the "hardcore must buy American" types, men whos wives want a 4 door instead of a 2, or confused old people.

[MattyG]

That Cadillac is incredibly ugly, I could not in good concience even consider one of those.

I'd take the M3.

[Filthy Sanchez]

Originally Posted by V8slayer

Sorry, must correct myself. I love the DB9. But I know for a fact that Dr Ulrich Bez did not allow anyone from parent company Ford to meddle in the project. Otherwise I would never consider it.

First off I love the 5.7 vette block it kicks ass! Second sorry you hate anything let alone V-8s. As far as Aston Martin goes Ford does a good job of letting it's satelites do what they want I don't think Bez had any say so. Unlike though I'd hate to say it GM who had every chance to make Lotus into something but instead chose to force them to make an Isuzu based Lotus (complete with a joke front drive chassis). I personally choose the BMW because the Caddy is (as all current caddies are) uglier than the bastard children of Zsa Zsa Gabor and the Elephant man. Even if you hate V-8s don't go talkin' about anything FWD, I love V-8s (not all) however there are many non V-8s that I like as well the Buick turbo 3.8-4.1, Ford 2.3 turbo 4, any Ford Cosworth 4, Ford Aussie I-6s OHC, Ford SHO 3.0 Vulcan, the new GM I-4-5-6 family found in the trailblazer and Colorado, and the Mazda rotaries 12A & 13B to name a few. A good engine is a good engine my friend.

[V8slayer]

And how do you define good Sanchez?

The engines I admire are:

S70/2 (BMW built for the McLaren F1), V12
S54 in the E46 M3, inline 6
RB26 from the R33 and R34, inline 6 TT
2JZ from the Supra, inline 6 TT
B16B from the Honda Civic EK-9 Type R, inline 4
M96/03 B6 from the 996 Carrera, flat boxer 6
F140 from the Enzo, V12
5.7L V10 from the Carrera GT (don't know the designation)

How do they compare to your list?

I do hate V8's. And I admit my hatred of ALL V8's is irrational. They just typify the "Bigger capacity more power and forget better engineering" mentality of Detroit muscle cars.

I won't ever consider a 360 Modena or the current M5 because they're V8's. Even though their engines are works of art. But I'm happy in my irrationality.

However, when it comes to the 5.7L V8 from the Vette, don't get me started. The M3 has a 3.2L NA inline 6 that produces 343 bhp (Aus spec) and is far more fuel efficient. It's even more reliable. How can you compare the engineering?

And looking at Munich v.s. Detroit in the future, the new Viper has a 8.3L V10 that produces 500 bhp. The M5 will have a 5L V10 that does the same. 3.3L difference, that's a decent sized whole other engine.

[freakonaleash1187]

kudos to you v8slayer (except the ferrari part). that is the main reason why i dont like american muscle, they have to have big engines to get power. like ferrari is making a 4.0-4.3 L engine and it will make around 500hp for their next mid-engine exotic, and then you look at the new ford gt with a 5.4L supercharged engine that only makes 500hp, that is kind of sad if you ask me.

[Filthy Sanchez]

Originally Posted by freakonaleash1187

kudos to you v8slayer (except the ferrari part). that is the main reason why i dont like american muscle, they have to have big engines to get power. like ferrari is making a 4.0-4.3 L engine and it will make around 500hp for their next mid-engine exotic, and then you look at the new ford gt with a 5.4L supercharged engine that only makes 500hp, that is kind of sad if you ask me.

First off the GT makes much more than 500hp they just say 500, and yes I agree with the old Detroit mentality of making it bigger to get more horsepower was one I didn't agree with either. However now they're getting tuned over with modern technology and brought up to date. The old days of some guy with a mullet saying let's just shove a 454 Chevy in it are over thankfully. I'm currently in the process of building an aluminim 351 Ford small block stroked to 454 displacement small block wieght (actually aluminium even lighter) with big block power. Now as far as good goes Mr. Slayer a good engine is a good engine period! BMW makes a very nice V8 found in their Z8, hadn't thought of V12s thought and assumed you hated anything with 8 or more cylinders (my bad). As far as those engines you mentioned I love the Supra 6's and Skyline 6's as well however I won't sport wood and do a dance when you drop their names like preteens of today.Ferrari makes some great V8s as well Austin Martin,Mercedes etc etc etc however something tells me you just mean V8s from red white and blue manufacturers. Oh yeah don't even get me started on reliability factor!? BMW!? I have a friend who is a BMW mechanic good lord valve problems galore my friend gets them in all the time, (Though BMW backs their products with excellent customer service I'll give them that) all the time my friend. Last but not least the engines you mentioned above for the most part are good (see I admit good when I see it) except the Honda, good for an everyday engine the kids around here though race them all the time and get run! In a word OVERRATED.

[.mauri.]

Hi everybody,i'm new here...

Sorry for my poor english,i' just an italian raw boy.

Are we talking about the E36 M3?
in my opinion also the 4door E36 m3 would be better than the cadillac cts,the cad probably could even be better on a highway or on a lamp-to-lamp acceleration...
to get the truth watch the nurburgring timings!

[panzershreck]

M3

/no other words required

[BLU CIVIC]

M3....don't like how the CTS-V have corners and are angled unlike the roundness of the M3

[V8slayer]

Well Sanchez, you see, good to me means engines that are well designed, that use state of the art technology to achieve maximum power and torque output. They strive to put that power and torque into usable revs. And they are reliable.

I live in Australia, so I have very little exposure to American cars. From what I hear, you don't want to compare their reliability against anyone's. When it comes to reliability, no one beats the Japanese. But please, when you knocked BMW's reliability, are you actually saying American cars have better reliability than BMW's? If that's how you feel, I don't think there's anything more to discuss. Because you wouldn't be from Earth. BTW, I've owned an E46 M3 for close to 2 years, touch wood, no problems. I also have a friend who's a BMW mechanic, and he raves about BMW engines.

And with regards to Detroit Muscle using "MODERN" technology? What do they have exactly? 4 valves per cylinder? Direct injection? Dry sump lubrication? Double Vanos? Twin clutch gear boxes? Quattro? DSG? FSI? Aluminium chasis or space frame? Carbon fibre? Dynamic drive? Active steering?

And lastly, you say they've gone away from the bigger capacity, more power mentality. So what's the new Viper, the Cien, the C16?

[Filthy Sanchez]

Originally Posted by V8slayer

Well Sanchez, you see, good to me means engines that are well designed, that use state of the art technology to achieve maximum power and torque output. They strive to put that power and torque into usable revs. And they are reliable.

I live in Australia, so I have very little exposure to American cars. From what I hear, you don't want to compare their reliability against anyone's. When it comes to reliability, no one beats the Japanese. But please, when you knocked BMW's reliability, are you actually saying American cars have better reliability than BMW's? If that's how you feel, I don't think there's anything more to discuss. Because you wouldn't be from Earth. BTW, I've owned an E46 M3 for close to 2 years, touch wood, no problems. I also have a friend who's a BMW mechanic, and he raves about BMW engines.

And with regards to Detroit Muscle using "MODERN" technology? What do they have exactly? 4 valves per cylinder? Direct injection? Dry sump lubrication? Double Vanos? Twin clutch gear boxes? Quattro? DSG? FSI? Aluminium chasis or space frame? Carbon fibre? Dynamic drive? Active steering?

And lastly, you say they've gone away from the bigger capacity, more power mentality. So what's the new Viper, the Cien, the C16?

Not completely away from, adding technology to an modernizing as well as developing smaller engines in addition too (that means as well) The Cien? Have you seen a production Cien? or C16? Viper yes Ford GT = revolutionary space frame chasis, 4 valves, direct injection. Sorry your all over hating american cars my friend, and yes have a 99 F150 Ford truck 125,900 miles no problems. By the way having a carbon fiber front clip made for my 65 stang good stuff.

As well don't think you answered me about V8s from Mercedes, and your beloved BMW? You also seem to be a bit of an upity snob my friend, could be wrong you're most likely a hell of a guy.

[aznxthuggie]

how about this
http://www.bmw.com/generic/com/en/fa...3csl_2003.html

BMW M3 CSL (2003)
360hp NA from a 3.2 liter inline 6, about 112hp per liter, carbon fiber, n glass fiber all over inside n out, now that is a GREAT CAR