6spd manual vs. Automatic

[Joseph1082]

Just one thing... the extra gear is not just at the end, the extra gear is 3rd on the M6... If you read my other post, Formula, 4th on the stick=3rd on the auto, so right there you have an extra low-end full of torque gear, you don't need to wait til 130. I think the extra gearing more than makes up for the instantaneous shifting of the auto... isn't a 6spd better than a 5spd because the gears are closer together? So would a 6spd be better than a 4spd... notice my comparison thread was not simply "Automatic vs. Manual" but the 6spd vs the 4l60e.

[FormulaLT1]

If I highway raced with a car that had the same mods as mine and had a six speed I would expect to lose but it we are city racing or off the line I'm the guy with the ear to ear smile, patting the dashboard

[Joseph1082]

lol, well, I mean stock vs. stock... I still think that in this case the M6 is faster assuming a good shifting driver. If you have an Auto, haven't you notice the drop after 2nd gear... I don't have such a severe drop in mine, i did in my 96 RS auto though, and hated it, that is where I lost races... get on it and watch what happens after second

[FormulaLT1]

Joseph whats your email I want to send you a clip

[z28 boy]

1992 rs, thats not my ride in my sig, if thats the one u were talking about.

U both make good points but the only way to know for sure is to run them b**ches. I was always told the M6 was faster but i havent lost to one so my point is its all the on the driver.

[Joseph1082]

That is true too, there is going to be a lot more variation in the M6 due to driver than in the auto. I just hope I didn't buy the slower version of the car, BTW, do any auto owners see what I mean in the difference between second and third?

[FormulaLT1]

I have like 3 clips of exactly the same modded 4th Gen Fbody's where the Auto takes the stick but with a good driver it goes either way , Also if the Auto is running the 2.73's the Stick will win without a doubt

[Phylum]

Originally Posted by Zwrangler

woaw, no don't go and waste your cash changing your auto to a manual. Seriously man, the auto is just as fast if not faster than a manual. You can get a transgo shift kit for real cheap as joseph 1082 pointed out. And yes, you can make 1st gear selectable in your auto. Its a simple mod, if its a 4th gen that is............ wait a minute, you drive a v6 anyway.
A manual conversion would cost you a lot mate. after paying for the conversion you'd end up paying just a bit less than if you were putting in a v8 into your engine, which will give you much more performance then a manual v6 believe me.

I'd like to perfor a v8 swap but from what I understand there is a lot involved which would cost me a fortune. I'd like to start with a better base and go from there but I need to come up with the funds to get another vehicle. Right now I'm in a rut as the transmission doesn't shift to reverse when it's supposed to. If I put it in reverse, it does nothing, I have to shift from R to D several times before it actually switches the gear. I already added transmission fluid and going form N to D is no problem (a little slow is all) but R does it's thing when it feels like it. SO I'll try to have at it this saturday and see what I can do.

[z28 boy]

I see what u mean with the 3rd and 4th gear comparison and i would have to say that yeah the auto is at a disadvantage but the auto takes the start and all of first gear. Therefore that puts the pressure on the driver of the M6 to play catch up.

[FormulaLT1]

In a perfect world the 6 speed is faster no doubt but it is mighty hard to outperform a auto especially when you have alot of variable's and the biggest one is the driver

[FormulaLT1]

Oh and one more thing about extra gears they are great if the ratio are real close but think about this if the auto can get to almost the same gear as you with only having to shift twice vs you having to pull your foot off the gas and shifting , who's got the advantage

[Joseph1082]

ok, these are the kind of deep thoughts I wanted to provoke. The catch up thing is true, first is the only gear taller in the A4.
Formula, what about a really good driver, or powershifting.
I mean, if you come yo DPA this summer I'll show you a couple of my friends that are master shifters. The car shudders after every shift. I dont like doing that cause I want to presereve my car, but still, they can and do shift like that, never heard them ever say the lost to a comparable auto.

[FormulaLT1]

Before I comment I just want to add I have owned 2 vettes before my formula which where both stick and I loved them and I really miss not having a stick but a powershifting is great but your basically only making up for the disadvantage of having to pull your foot off the gas and I can tell you first hand and I'm sure I will see you next time I'm up that way I have yet to lose to a M6 with the same mods and I know plenty of auto guys that tell the same story

[FormulaLT1]

Originally Posted by FormulaLT1

In a perfect world the 6 speed is faster no doubt

Like I said this should be the case but it rarely is

[Joseph1082]

Ok, how bout this... I forget what mods you have, but would you say you're pretty even w/ a stock LS1.. if so, not me, but i'll let you race my friend in my car, and we can put this to rest?