Me vs. Camaro, Me vs. SHO

[carrrnuttt]

Originally Posted by IntegraB18LS

the Mach 1 is pretty much a mustang GT, with the cobra motor without the supercharger, it is 5 speed and stright axle, the cobra is IRS and 6 speed.

No, the Mach1 is NOT "pretty much a Mustang GT". Not even close, except for the body.

The Mach has a 4-valve-per-cyl, DOHC motor that puts out an underrated 305-crank-HP, and 320-ft-lbs of TQ.

The GT has a 2-valver, SOHC that puts out 260-crank-HP and 302-ft-lbs of TQ.

The Mach1 also has good top-end, due in part to its actual functional "shaker" hood-scoop.

[IntegraB18LS]

Originally Posted by carrrnuttt

No, the Mach1 is NOT "pretty much a Mustang GT". Not even close, except for the body.

The Mach has a 4-valve-per-cyl, DOHC motor that puts out an underrated 305-crank-HP, and 320-ft-lbs of TQ.

The GT has a 2-valver, SOHC that puts out 260-crank-HP and 302-ft-lbs of TQ.

The Mach1 also has good top-end, due in part to its actual functional "shaker" hood-scoop.

as I said the body is the same, except it uses the cobra motor without the supercharger, and uses the standard 5 speed tranny unlike the cobra that uses a 6 speed. and it still doesnt get the nice IRS the cobra has either, so basically it is just a Mustang GT with a 4 valve motor, nothing real special. I know all about the motors, I work for a ford dealership, I have ripped a part so many of these motors, and i know how many valves they have. though I never get to take the for road tests anymore

Do you guys think I have a better chance in beating him on the highway or in the 1/4 I talked to him last night and he wants to race from a 50mph roll he says cuz he cant get any traction - that makes me want to race him in the 1/4 but thats kinda cheating

Kyle

[daveshapellSVT]

your only chance is on the highway..

[carrrnuttt]

Originally Posted by IntegraB18LS

as I said the body is the same, except it uses the cobra motor without the supercharger, and uses the standard 5 speed tranny unlike the cobra that uses a 6 speed. and it still doesnt get the nice IRS the cobra has either, so basically it is just a Mustang GT with a 4 valve motor, nothing real special.

That's like saying an Integra Type R is basically an Integra GS-R with a better suspension, and five lugs, or an STi is basically a Subaru Impreza 2.5 with a turbo.

Is the Mustang GT a V6 with two more cylinders then? Or is the Lightning an F-150 with a supercharger.

If you really work at a Ford dealership, you of all people should know the difference in the cars.

[IntegraB18LS]

The only MAJOR difference is the engine, 95% of everything else is interchangeable with the GT

The Cobra has alot of differences but the GT and the mach 1 is very similer.

the mach 1 is closer to the GT then the GT is to the 6cyl, the 6 cyl uses a different engine,tranny, and im not positive if it comes with the 8.8 or not. obviously yea the suspention varys between models...


but really Mach 1 has a hole in the hood, a different motor, more power,move valves.. and thats about it, stiffer springs to probably.

[daveshapellSVT]

the mach 1 uses the same engine as the 320 horsepower Cobras from 2001, but they changed the cam and some other stuff.. thats why the out put is different.. thats what i heard anyways. it kinda makes sence cause Ford would spend a lot more money creating total different motors opposed to slightly changing one they already have.. so he's semi correct in the sence that the mach 1 has the cobra motor without the super charger.. or am i 100% incorrect?

[carrrnuttt]

Originally Posted by IntegraB18LS

The only MAJOR difference is the engine, 95% of everything else is interchangeable with the GT

The Cobra has alot of differences but the GT and the mach 1 is very similer.

the mach 1 is closer to the GT then the GT is to the 6cyl, the 6 cyl uses a different engine,tranny, and im not positive if it comes with the 8.8 or not. obviously yea the suspention varys between models...


but really Mach 1 has a hole in the hood, a different motor, more power,move valves.. and thats about it, stiffer springs to probably.

So you're saying a Civic EX is glorified Civic LX right? Notice how dumb that sounds?

You are disqualifying a more competent car by saying it's nothing but a glorified version of a lesser model. Duh. That's why the other one is a "lesser" model.

You're saying that the only difference is the motor. What the hell else makes a car what it is?

What makes more sense: calling your car a hybrid period, or calling it "a glorified EX"? You notice how derogatory that sounds?

What makes more sense: calling it a Mach1, or "a glorified Mustang GT"?

[Spectre927]

Originally Posted by carrrnuttt

What makes more sense: calling it a Mach1, or "a glorified Mustang GT"?

From a Ford enthusiast's as well as a marketing POV, Id say calling it a Mach 1 makes more sense. Though, will that car ever actually reach Mach 1? From a physicist's POV, it's pretty stupid.

It's almost(actually not even close) as stupid as someone saying, "well even with 400 hp, you're still driving a honda." It's all depending on who's saying it.

[Spectre927]

It looks like the difference between a Mach 1 and GT performance wise is similar to that of a GSR and Type R(20 ponies in a 4), while what they actualy did to achieve the difference is more like... and HX and an LS... theres nothing really similar... It's a lot easier to make power in these bigger engines, but don't get me wrong it's an awesome car, and I would call it what it is, a Mach 1, but I wouldn't get all offended if someone said I have an LS, only it has VTEC.

[daveshapellSVT]

i think the difference between a GT and a mach 1 is greater than that of a type R and GSR.. The GT has a sohc and the mach has a dohc.. at least the b18's are both dohc...

[Spectre927]

Originally Posted by daveshapellSVT

i think the difference between a GT and a mach 1 is greater than that of a type R and GSR.. The GT has a sohc and the mach has a dohc.. at least the b18's are both dohc...

Thats why I said "performance" because 20-25 doubled is roughly 40-50 hp, and even though V8s aren't as efficient, it is 'roughly' close.