So.. Which Gen?

[CivSiGuy]

Attention Everyone!

This phase will end on January 6, 2002 just so you peeps know.

[Rice-Rocketeer]

Originally posted by delsolguy
Any speculation about swapping a K20C (RSX-S) into a 7th Gen Civic chassis? Do you think this is possible? It's a shame that aftermarket development for the K20C hasn't had a chance to get going...it seems to respond quite well to intakes...I'm curious as to the results of internal work or FI.

As Jon said, it's just too new. To find out, there'd have to be someone with enoug to money to buy a new civic AND find an engine from an RSX that's been junked. Obviously, very expensive AND rare things to find. But totall going on speculation, all these engines coming out are a new generation of honda technology. The fact that the new Civic Si engine and the RSX engine "have similarities" isn't just coincedence. I'm sure they're totally interchangable and will only be a matter of time until someone has the money to do so. And the engines will not only respond well to intakes, the new i-Vtec system will let them respond well to alot of different components. But one thing I'm not too happy about is I'm sure the VTC system coupled with the OBD3 system will complicate things SO much worse. They have the capability for even more power compared to thier B-series brethren but you can bet you're ass it won't be as easy as strapping an intake to a B-series.

This is just the beginning. The next step on the honda horizon is a 1.5l DI. Direct Injection. They will change the position the fuel injector from the intake manifold to directly into the combustion chamber, pointing down, in place of the spark plug. Combined with a form of Vtec-E, they run the engine at an EXTREMELY lean mixture without fear of engine damage.

The only problem with all the new, smaller, leaner, more effecient technology that Honda is developing is the problem that's always plagued us. How we change an ultra-effecient gas sipper into a 300hp beast

[delsolguy]

I didn't really mean to say that I think the 7th Gen ought to be included (since everything would be sooo expensive), I was just curious since we were sorta on the subject of the new cars and their mod potential.

As for the new Honda engines...we'll just have to rev 'em to 14 grand and maybe we'll see some power .

[Rice-Rocketeer]

Originally posted by delsolguy
I didn't really mean to say that I think the 7th Gen ought to be included (since everything would be sooo expensive), I was just curious since we were sorta on the subject of the new cars and their mod potential.

I know, I just wanted to rant

[EliteImports]

that's an interesting prospect... an RSX engine into my 2K1... i might have to look into that...

hey rice, is it a waste of my time and money? should i let someone else pioneer that direction?:smoka:

[Rice-Rocketeer]

Well unless you have 10g's to spend on both engine and work to get it in there, AND have the possibility of failing and having your car tore up permamnently, then yeah, Go for it!

[EliteImports]

Originally posted by Rice-Rocketeer
Well unless you have 10g's to spend on both engine and work to get it in there, AND have the possibility of failing and having your car tore up permamnently, then yeah, Go for it!

allllllll-righty-then!
(damnit, being broke sux! )

[95hbMatt]

5th gen hatch all the way!!!!!:frog:

[CivSiGuy]

well the 6th gen is winning in the polls. That's different from what I figured.

[piscorpio]

If anyone cares, I vote 6gen. I also think it should be a coupe, since the whole fast hatchback thing is a bit cliche to me, but thats just personal opinion. Based on the facts however, if you just want a Civic shell, either generation is a wash, but if you are looking for a particular style, or perhaps power everything, A/C and moonroof.....6gen

[Si2000 Vtec]

I'd say 6th gen hatch... more plush interior and bigger engine bay, easier to work on. plus their roomier, im sure this guy wants a car that he can keep for a while. this was my hatch before it was stolen... although not in the pic, i had all the black trim, handles, and license plate bezel painted body color... asses stole my dream car!

[j.fuggi]

how'd it get stolen

[Si2000 Vtec]

It was stolen while I was in Hot Import Nights at seattle... I was in the show running the 3DMaxGraphix booth for about 6 hours... came outside to a wonderful suprise of not seeing my car.

[XxDaDa09x702xX]

i would say a 6th gen. Civic is a good car to start off with for the reason because that it has a nice clean look and a wide variety of aftermarket parts that a 6th gen Civic has, but for speed i would say a 5th gen Civic 93' hatch because its pretty light.

Just my 2 cents.

[Hanguk87]

Originally posted by Rice-Rocketeer
Ok first off, I'm having a real problem grasping WHAT THE **** all this cyber stuff is but let me rant for a bit. If we're going to talk about the pro's and con's of each chasis, we can't talk about opinion, cause opinions are like assholes and differing opinions won't solve anything.

Let's compare. The main things that the 5th gen chasis has are two things. Weight and Price. Now considering that you're going to load this thing up with equipment of all types and you're gonna spends thoudands on motor mods, as mentioned, 1 or 2 hundred pounds shouldn't outweigh the other pro's the 6th gens might have. Second, they are older, so price is gonna be obviously lower. But is the lower price enough to outweigh everything else. You could get a 96-98 civic Cx or Dx or for damn near the same price you coud get a 94 or 95. I mean you could get a 92 or 93 Cx for atleast a grand or 2 but you'd be starting off with a lower level chasis with no add-ons and a big possibility of greater wear on vital components.

One of the cons of the 5th gens is the slightly dated look of the 5th gen. It may look simple and classic but, it is early 90's. The 6th gens agreeably have a more modern and wild look. The proportions are larger in every way and the edges are more rounded. The 6th gen exterior lends itself more to the wilder "show" look.

As far as performance goes, both generations have the same modability. They both have every performance component possible available to them. They both accomodate D, B and H series engines with the same ease and have turbo's, supercharges, and other crap plentiful.


So, in conclusion, what do we have? We have three major areas. First is price, Second is Performance, Third is Show. The 5th gen wins in price but shopping around for an early 6th gen will get you the same price. They're both equal in performance upgradability but the 5th gens are generally lighter in wight giving them a slight advantage. And the 6th generation civic wins in the show department in both stock body and available show upgrades such as body kits.

My opinion: Considering they're both the same in performance upgradability and the weight difference in the 5th gen is negligable when large mods are in order, and considering the extra price we pay for the 6th gen could get a newer, better looking body with less wear. The ultimate civic should be made from the 6th generation civic base, and my own little personal addition: It should be a hatchback. The hatchback was the start and meaning of the "pocket rocket" movement. Small, light and sporty looking cars that have the ability to be every bit as good as sports cars.

In your 2nd to last paragraph, you said "And the 6th generation civic wins in the shw department in both stock body". Now THAT is YOUR OPINION and the LAST PARAGRAPH is your opinion. And until the last paragraph, you were talking about the FACTS. Don't wanna start no bs or nothin. just take it easy ok? Everyone always seems to get on me on stuff like this.