Signal Auto Drifter Twin X

[SchuberT]

my apologies to everyone... i'm hosting his photos, and right now the servers at hostrocket.com (great place) are being upgraded... therefore, they will be down for a lil while, don't ask me how long, because i really dont know anything about it... sorry :\

[ShOrtyOC714]

Heres a big update, almost finished making the side skirts just need a little bit of putty and sanding. I havnt put together the suspension yet, the wheels are just sitting on the chassis.







Here are the brakes im using. I am replicating the Endless Brakes with Blue Calipers and goldish silver rotor.





Here is half of the roll cage i made, IMO it looks very realistic, i am going to sell this one on my site.









Tell me what you guys think?

[SchuberT]

looks awesome

[dorikingts]

lookin great

[spoolin12]

Looks sweet!

Is that front bar seperate? I would love to borrow...ahh i mean steal it for my onvia

[7th_skyline]

Originally Posted by ShOrtyOC714

Here is half of the roll cage i made, IMO it looks very realistic, i am going to sell this one on my site.

So far, so good. However, realistic is NOT a word I would use in relation to the roll bar. Its just a hoop and two diagonals - a decent half cage should also have a "Taxi Bar" (a horizontal bar across the main hoop about half way up), and diagonal reinforcement between the rear stays.
If the drifter twins' 1:1 cars have a cage like that, then I hope for their sake they don't crash, because thats a "show cage" not roll-over protection. In short, those cages are available for riceboys (and similar to what you find in big ol redneck pick up trucks), but thats not a racing roll cage. Add some more bars if you want realism.

[ShOrtyOC714]

Originally Posted by 7th_skyline

So far, so good. However, realistic is NOT a word I would use in relation to the roll bar. Its just a hoop and two diagonals - a decent half cage should also have a "Taxi Bar" (a horizontal bar across the main hoop about half way up), and diagonal reinforcement between the rear stays.
If the drifter twins' 1:1 cars have a cage like that, then I hope for their sake they don't crash, because thats a "show cage" not roll-over protection. In short, those cages are available for riceboys (and similar to what you find in big ol redneck pick up trucks), but thats not a racing roll cage. Add some more bars if you want realism.

Did i say i was done? Thats right no. I am still adding more bars, i am going for a full race roll cage.

[7th_skyline]

I took the liberty of making up a couple of example pics in photoshop of more realistic cage designs. These are by no means comprehensive designs, just showing where extra reinforcement might go, you're best to research it yourself.
There are many variations, like replacing the taxi bar with a diagonal, different combinations of diagonals in the rear etc.

I also added a front half to the cage in one pic, including cross bars and diagonal roof bar.

Half cage with simple reinforcements:



Full cage...

[7th_skyline]

Originally Posted by ShOrtyOC714

Did i say i was done? Thats right no. I am still adding more bars, i am going for a full race roll cage.

Ok, sorry, I misinterpreted it as "the half cage I built" not "half the cage I'm building". Sorry. You DID ask for opinions, you got one.

Anyway, I have another important revision for you. Your cage design, in a real car, would result in very little benefit in chassis strength, and would do little else but bend the rear sheet metal in the cargo area, and worst case collapse the main hoop in the case of a roll over, I'd suggest you shorten the rear stays and locate their end point where the rear strut tops are.

[ShOrtyOC714]

Originally Posted by 7th_skyline

Ok, sorry, I misinterpreted it as "the half cage I built" not "half the cage I'm building". Sorry. You DID ask for opinions, you got one.

Anyway, I have another important revision for you. Your cage design, in a real car, would result in very little benefit in chassis strength, and would do little else but bend the rear sheet metal in the cargo area, and worst case collapse the main hoop in the case of a roll over, I'd suggest you shorten the rear stays and locate their end point where the rear strut tops are.

I was going to put it more near the strut bars are but i decided not to. The other bars that are in the middle are practically useless, because if u were in a roll over those bars would not protect you, the ones on top will. I am not going to add all of those bars, just the ones near the roof because those ones are the ones that will save your life.

[7th_skyline]

Originally Posted by ShOrtyOC714

I was going to put it more near the strut bars are but i decided not to. The other bars that are in the middle are practically useless, because if u were in a roll over those bars would not protect you, the ones on top will. I am not going to add all of those bars, just the ones near the roof because those ones are the ones that will save your life.

I suggest you take a look at some 1:1 race/rally cars and read up a little on roll cage design before you make statements like that, since you've demonstrated that you have no clues about cage design.

In most cases the main hoop is strong enough to provide some protection in a simple roll over, however it is crucial to have properly braced outriggers for protection in a more dynamic type (more likely) of roll over where the forces acting on the cage and chassis structure are more complex, and this is where the diagonals on the rear stays come in, to stop them collapsing when force is transferred onto them with the extra leverage of the main hoop. I would also add diagonals from the top corners of the main hoop down to the centre of the taxi bar (or at least a single diagonal from top right/bottom left). The design of your rear stays, as I said, does not place them on a load bearing chassis section, and the flat angle they are on would make them especially susceptible to bending (particularly in the case where it is only a half cage and the force is coming from the frontal area of the roof turret). If they bend, they will pull back the main hoop and reduce its effectiveness.

All I am saying is that your roll cage will look fine the way you are suggesting, however I'm suggesting some mods to add realism.

Good luck, it all looks good so far otherwise.

[Midnight Racer]

Great progress.Can't wait to see more.

[kanseikid21]

here are some ref pics from team-rice's web page i can't post mine because i can't figure out the upload thing *sigh* i want the old forums back signal pics and vid while were on the subject check out some of the other drift vids they have vids

[hypertek]

well, no S13 cage goes all the way to the trunk. They usually weld around the rear shock tower. Have the bar closer to the front seats.

[ShOrtyOC714]

Originally Posted by hypertek

well, no S13 cage goes all the way to the trunk. They usually weld around the rear shock tower. Have the bar closer to the front seats.

I have just seen the interior of the car and i am going to be moving the rear bars over to near the struts.