Skyline Importing - I've done it

[NightXCZ77]

Originally Posted by tyndago

Now you the current owner have to pay the $6500 - $25,000 to legalize this car. Sure would have made a difference when you paid for the car right ?

So now you are defauded out of the sale . If you sell the car to someone , knowing its not legal , then you are liable.

WHAT DO YOU DO ?

See you all sit there in front of the computer and talk about this , dream about that , but in the real world I have had to help out some of these people.

The cars are not illegal unless they are sold as being "road worthy and titled vehicles" and in fact they have no title and therefore cannot be driven on the road. If you are misleading and defrauding others, then you are liable. If you are truthful, write out contracts and correct bills of sale...you are protected.

The majority of people that purchase from me are people who are very rich and want a car that they can play with at the track, take to shows, and have looking pretty in their garage. Some people choose to drive these cars on the street...that's their choice. Once the cars leave my hands, I am no longer liable.

In the real world, SEAN, all you do is screw people out of hard-earned dollars. I'll be the first to say it. You and I both know that legalizing Skylines is no $16,000 task...in fact, it's no $10,000 task...then marking them up (R32's) 1000%...not justifiable either...only reason you do is because of your Monopoly which could be taken to court at any day or time because the DOT has allowed it and protected you, as has JK Motors, the NHTSA, and the EPA...should I report you to the attorney general and federal commision and make this a huge case over how 1 person who started a company and then left that company created a Monopoly...and now that 1 person is trying to get that all going again to compete against his old company so there won't be a monopoly because of some "gentlemens agreement"....

You keep doing what you try and call "helping these people"...the DOT and EPA, NHTSA know that these cars are plenty road worthy for US roads....why haven't they allowed them for importation....it's pretty simple to me, and I'm sure most others have figured it out. All you care about is keeping your little market and stuffing 100g's (could be an exaggeration) in your pocket every month...no wonder you're so touchy.

Night

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Actually, he probably doesn't make a wad of cash everyday, considering
a)are there like 100 sales each day? no.
b)is there time and work required to do this? yes.

we pay lawyers 500 dollars to think about some shit for 5 minutes. we pay premiums for things we want, everything from furby's to the new evo 8s.

i'm sure it's a great thing your doing, but shit, i'd rather fork over the money for something street legal, rather than hoping i run across redneck policemen everyday who can't tell the difference between a skyline and a civic.

the people who buy their skylines from motorex are wanting to drive their cars on the street legally. not everyone has the time or money to play around in a track. if they do, great for you. i'm sure we could recommend that person to you or whoever else is doing this. the rest of us will either have to pay up, keep dreaming, or import it ourself and bribe the customs guys..

while you're at it, why don't we all go and bitch to the guy from "king motorsports" in wisconson? he has a basic monopoly for readily available mugen parts for jdm freaks everywhere, and the prices he overcharges is no different than what happens here.

not criticizing you newhere, but come on, most of these would-be buyers are desperate for a car that can be seen as a basketball card. everyone has the normal cards... but when some guy pulls out some rare-ass rookie, a select few from that group are willing to pay as much for it as they can, others planning some way to steal it or make some copy of it, others just dream of it, and the rest either give up or keep buying packs to get the same one.

guess most of us will have to wait. :P

[NISMO LMR]

Hey Sean, Sorry to say it man. But you just got told. I guess im no one to accuse anyone of anything here. I couldnt give two shits what you do with your biz. If you wanna run a scam business, hey thats your deal. But you did get told

[NarutoRamen]

You know what...you can combine what Sean does with Motorex and save your self from going broke all at once. Just buy a skyline for 22grand from japan and keep it at your house or some warehouse....don't drive it...dont do shit. Just wait and save up your money until you have enough to send it to motorex and have them legalize it for 25 grand.

I saw a r34 V spec ready to be imported to US for 30,000, and it costs 25grand to get it legalized from Motorex. All together with taxes and fees and whatnot...you're looking at roughly 60grand....much better than paying Motorex or some other company 90+grand for the same thing. Also by importing it yourself...you don't have to worry about paying the full 60g all at once. you can legally keep the car...but can't drive it...so rent some sort of a garage where you can park your car safely....then may be in a year or so...get some financing then legalize it.

This is not proven...just a theory. If you like/dislike it tell me....I would love to know what you guys think. I would love to try it...but I don't have 30g to buy the skyline...so I will wait...then i'll do it if it's legal.

Raman B.

[NightXCZ77]

Ramen - good theory, however, that is not the case. If you bring in a Skyline through customs, they will not release it to you. They will put it in their own storage facility and make you pay fees (which in long beach are pretty damn high). They will not release the vehicle to anyone other than a RI who will legalize it. You have that option (paying their storage fee and paying legalization right there) or shipping it back to country of origin. If customs would release those vehicles to people with the "trust" that those people wouldn't drive them and would only save them to send to MotoRex in a year or two, I am sure you would see 100's of them all over the place in garages and those people driving them although they aren't supposed to. The only two ways to get these cars is 1, through an importer like myself as a NON-REGISTERED, NON-LEGALIZED vehicle for off-road use only...or through MotoRex.

Night

[NarutoRamen]

Sean....Well can't I bring it in as a show car??? They let you keep it then right and not let you drive it??? But if they really want to be bastards and not let me keep it at all and charge me money for it...I don't have to bring it to America. I can send it to India...my family is pretty rich there...and definately have enough space to keep 1 car. then when I have the money...bring it to america through Motorex. Do you think that could work?

Raman B.

[NightXCZ77]

Show cars can be driven I believe up to 2500 miles a year. The cars can be brought in for show or race purposes. There are stipulations that allow you to keep it for 1 year...I am not sure on whether or not they have longer terms....haven't looked into it that deeply. I am not Sean either...in case you got that confused. If you bought a car in Japan, you could send it to MotoRex to have it legalized then...then you'd pay whatever the costs were through them. They are the only ones that I know of currently able to legalize these vehicles. You can always try FuelImports down in FL...but get their credentials first and some references to verify that they have legalized these vehicles. From what I heard, MotoRex offered a large settlement for them to stop selling...they refused, but who knows what's true or what's not...MotoRex has claimed to have done these crash tests etc...when JK Motors did it...

Night

[RazorGTR]

A nice link to check to see what RI's are listed on the NHTSA site. Now granted it has been updated since July of this year. Fuel Imports isn't listed.

http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/rules/import/

[NightXCZ77]

I know they aren't listed. They said that they bought out a different RI in FL. If you call the different RI's in FL....one of them has every number disconnected or not in service....sooooo? Who knows...they could be legit, but I haven't yet asked for their verification paperwork of which I should do...and get their lisence etc... approval letter from the NHTSA etc....

Night

[Moppie]

Originally Posted by NightXCZ77

If you would like to make me your new target for attacking - bring it on.

NightXCZ77 The only attacking I see is your attempts to discredit and spread largely false information about Sean and motorex.
Your agruments are flawed and irrational, and have contributed nothing useful.

Sean may be a bit defensive at times, but given the BS he has to put up with I dont blame him.
If you continue to add to that BS then you can consider yourself on a very short path to getting banned, a process that will follow you to every major automotive forum you care to visit.


If you can come up with some real facts to back up your alegations then please feel free to present them, but JK motoring, Motorex, RBmotoring and Sean have done nothing, even based on your own claims that is untoward in the modern bussiness world.
And, if you care to do a little research, even within this forum you will find plenty of refernces to the work done by JK motoring, Motorex and Sean regarding the legalisation process, inculding links to online copies of all the documentation required by, and supplied to the DOT, EPA and NHTSA regarding the crash testing and modification process.

And, if through experiance importing cars into the US from Japan you have something useful to add to the forums then please feel to do so, be it technical advice, or the sharing of general automotive knowledge.

But if your here for no purpose other than to put down and attack the reputation of a member who has proved his integrity, knowledge and willingness to help others here, in other forums and in real life, then I suggest you click here: to log out

[RazorGTR]

Sean a quick Question for you. Has RBMotoring officially filed the paperwork for legalziation yet as well as importing?

I need to know for sure so i can add them to the list officially.

cheers

[NightXCZ77]

First off, the attacking I was speaking of is: "Consider yourself reported to blah blah blah." and "I've done it before, I'll do it again." Reason for this behavior - because I am doing something completely legal and he can't stand any competition? Come on here, you're a mod and I'm pretty sure you understand that concept.

Show me where I have spread FALSE information...please do. I have books 600+ pages long on being a RI, rules, regulations, the work of JK Motoring, the release papers from the NHTSA etc... We've read em, we've researched em, etc...

I have been of mod status on different forums before...I will be a Mod again...this is a forum I chose to come back to because just like 2 years ago when people said the RB25DET swap wasn't possible....I did it anyways, just like here people keep whining about having to pay MotoRex...cause they're the "only ones"...I do it as well. If you want to kick me off because I don't agree with Sean, MotoRex, or RBMotoring (same difference as Flashoptions and RacingHard)...then that's your choice. I'm not here to make an enemy with you.

I have spoken dozens of times with the DOT, EPA, etc... about this situation, spoken with many, many RI's in different states, spoken about 5 times with JK Motoring and their CEO...I think I have a little room to talk here and I doubt anyone else has done the same. The documents listed on line are partial...they are not at all complete...if they were, there would be 100 RI's doing Skylines right now piggy-backed off of MotoRex's crash testing data.

Integrity is not blatantly stealing money, integrity is sharing knowledge and not letting greed lead the way. I am knowledgeable on Skylines, Skyline engines etc... Razor and I have argued about them before and I have learned a little more from him. I have knowledge on them, but no one on this forum wants that, they want to know "HOW DO I GET A SKYLINE WITHOUT GOING THROUGH MOTOREX???" Last time I checked, helping is not charging $88,000 for a car that costs $15,000 in Japan, $1200 importation, $500 tariffs and customs...then whatever else for legalization...which has to be under $25k.

As I said before...I am spreading knowledge. I import things 100% legally and yet Sean wants to make it his personal agenda to notify the DOT and EPA that I am a legal importer within my rights and following all of the books correctly. I have knowledge to share and will continue to do so...but I believe I have done a little more research on this matter beings that I have been deemed authorized by the DOT and EPA to become a Legalizer of Skylines should I wisht o start a RI and crash test ONE that passes....when we already knows what is to be done. We're just waiting on the facilities and the funds to start rolling at the first of the year.

Night

[Moppie]

Excuse me for being selective here,

Originally Posted by NightXCZ77

Integrity is not blatantly stealing money, integrity is sharing knowledge and not letting greed lead the way. I am knowledgeable on Skylines, Skyline engines etc...

If your going to claim theft is taking place then pleae show some proof.
Otherwise get over it, yes Skylines in the US are far far to over priced, and prehaps the margins are more than a little high, but you should consider moving to another country if you find the thought of a company trying to make a profit offensive.

Originally Posted by NightXCZ77

I have knowledge to share and will continue to do so...but I believe I have done a little more research on this matter beings that I have been deemed authorized by the DOT and EPA to become a Legalizer of Skylines should I wisht o start a RI and crash test ONE that passes....when we already knows what is to be done. We're just waiting on the facilities and the funds to start rolling at the first of the year.

So are you, or are you not currently an RI?
You claim to be importing, or to have imported cars, yet you seem unsure as to whether or not you are, or are working for an RI.

And if you have been through the process required to become a "Legalizer" then you will be able to give us a complete break down of the costs involved, from the legal costs, to the crash testing costs, and prove to us that it is a lot cheaper than JK and Motorex claim, and so offer some proof that they are infact over charging by an excessive amount.

However, and I have been reading a lot of your other posts, all Iv seen so far is a lot of rehtoric and heavily garnsihed opion.

[tyndago]

Sitting here reading the diatribe , deciding wether I want to waste a couple hours of my life laying out exactly why you can not do what you are doing .

I too have read though all the rules and regulations. I have been participating in it since 1999. When was the last time any of you were in Washington ,DC at the DOT OVSC ?

I am not out to rob people , neither was Motorex , just trying to get a car in legally.

If there was another legal way , we would have used that other legal way.

The only legal way was for Motorex - at that time GT Motorcars to contract with JK Technologies to legalize the Skyline . Who do you think paid JK , and got the cars for them to crash test ? They came though ,and the money came from GT Motorcars /Motorex.

That information then became the exclusive property of GT Motorcars /Motorex. They paid their dues. They got the cars legal , in the legal way.

Don't whine about the money. The money is no excuse. I can say I like Ferraris , but I don't want to pay the money , so I STOLE one. It doesn't make the theft right.

[NightXCZ77]

Theft is an exaggeration relating to the costs that they charge. If you were sitting in a store in the US and buy a bottle of coke for $1, then later that day go across the border into Canada to go shopping (or whatever)...and there is only one store in the whole city you are in that sells coke....they charge $50 for the same bottle you just bought for a dollar...what would you call it? Just like gas prices in the US, many states have gouging laws...this really isn't much different except there aren't multiple companies doing the gouging. I don't take profit offensively...if there were no profit in the business, there'd be no point, but it's the point to which you take your greed that sets the standards for what kind of company you are.

I am not currently a RI. I have imported JDM vehicles through customs 100% legally. We will become a RI sometime during this upcoming year after our facility is complete and all petitions filed. We also have severe financial backing that will allow us to do the legalization process/crash testing and petition. When we become a RI, we will be solely legalizing cars, not selling any for off-road use.

If MotoRex won't give yuo the costs of legalizing, what makes you think I would? Once I have gone through all of the processes, that information will remain in a safe. It's very simple to weed through what needs to be done to these cars...and yes, they are overcharging. Last time I checked, it doesn't cost an extra $8-9k in order to wire in OBDII...but who am I to say that.

Night