Which car would u pick ?

[blatch]

the lex. i'd sell it and get more parts for teh civic.

(i need to get around to getting my civic... yeah i need to get one.)

[DVSNCYNIKL]

I'd have to go with the IS, but I was unaware that they had a manual version.

[flylwsi]

keep up w/ the news
the manual is300 is comin soon, as well as a sport wagon and a 2dr coupe version


everyone wants to talk about the hp #s of an s2k, but what about tq?
that only has 175... super low, especially when you compare it to other cars that make similar hp/l ratings...
and dont forget, the tq hits at 7500 rpm...

i like the s2k, and this isnt about it, but hp/l liter isnt everything... it is better when the hp/l is average and the hp number is astronomical... like a viper... roughly 80something hp/l but 450hp... hmm... also... what is the total hp # for that ferrari f355? it is higher than the s2k... and it is faster... so hp/l doesnt really matter all that much...

go with the is though... its badass, and no one will really expect one to be pimped out...

[GOD]

well guys i've got some bad/ good news i went to the acura dealership with mommy hehehe and i test drove the CL type S its pretty smooth and i love the inside ...only thing that kinda didnt really like is the rear .....its too damn rounded ...so i'll just the get the spoiler so it wont look too crappy .....but sometiem this week im going in to get my car looked at to trade in and then ....comes the Type S hehehe ......later guys and thanks for everyones thoughts and stuff ......later guys...oh yeah i'll tell u guys when i get it and ill get some pics of it posted up

[Racing Rice]

It would be tough to choose between Type-R and the IS300, but let face it for the price and the aftermarket support the Type-R would have to be my choice.. It looks sweet and produces a good amount of power that can easily be increased... Why wouldnt you choose it.

[F20C]

Originally posted by flylwsi
keep up w/ the news
the manual is300 is comin soon, as well as a sport wagon and a 2dr coupe version


everyone wants to talk about the hp #s of an s2k, but what about tq?
that only has 175... super low, especially when you compare it to other cars that make similar hp/l ratings...
and dont forget, the tq hits at 7500 rpm...

i like the s2k, and this isnt about it, but hp/l liter isnt everything... it is better when the hp/l is average and the hp number is astronomical... like a viper... roughly 80something hp/l but 450hp... hmm... also... what is the total hp # for that ferrari f355? it is higher than the s2k... and it is faster... so hp/l doesnt really matter all that much...

go with the is though... its badass, and no one will really expect one to be pimped out...

Cars making similar hp/litre with S2000 that have more torque all have bigger displacement. For example a E46 M3 is 3.2L and S2000 is only 2.0L!

[F20C]

Originally posted by Silver S2000
As long as you're throwing hp/L stats around, I might as well mention the S2K, with 240 hp (some say 250, but I'll be conservative) coming out of a 1997cc engine, has a power to displacement ratio of about 120 hp/L, the highest of any naturally-aspirated, factory-produced engine on Earth.

But it wasn't one of the choices, so nevermind.

JDM S2000 have 250hp.

[flylwsi]

i dont understand the point about the bigger motor, more tq thing...
i have a 2.0 in my lude si, and i have 140 tq, almost an s2k, but it has 100 more hp... at an unusable, at least for me daily, rpm.
if cars like my 2.0 have similar hp and tq numbers, why cant an s2k? that is what i mean...
honda is the only manufacturer out that has big differences b/n tq and hp... most others are pretty close, not as far off as the s2k, there is a gap of around 65 there... that is my point...
and yes, a bigger motor means more tq, but if my nonvtec motor was modded to make 240 hp, it would have more than 175tq...
see what i mean?

[F20C]

Originally posted by flylwsi
i dont understand the point about the bigger motor, more tq thing...
i have a 2.0 in my lude si, and i have 140 tq, almost an s2k, but it has 100 more hp... at an unusable, at least for me daily, rpm.
if cars like my 2.0 have similar hp and tq numbers, why cant an s2k? that is what i mean...
honda is the only manufacturer out that has big differences b/n tq and hp... most others are pretty close, not as far off as the s2k, there is a gap of around 65 there... that is my point...
and yes, a bigger motor means more tq, but if my nonvtec motor was modded to make 240 hp, it would have more than 175tq...
see what i mean?

It depends on the engine design. S2000 was design to be high hp in a 2.0L engine. The only way to achieve that was to forgo the torque and allow the engine to be rev up to 9000rpms. Your car was mostly likely design with torque in mind. With small displacement engines unless you go force induction. Or else it is unlikely to have high hp rating and high torque rating.

[^YellowBandit^]

I'd get the Maxima. Fast as heck, and pretty damn spacious...which is good for..._________(fill in the blank)

[F20C]

I would get a Altima over Maxima. Altima is just a better car than Maxima at the current moment.

[Cavallino]

Have they been making the altima with a 6 or is that a new thing this year?

[JD@af]

That is definitely new. I am surprised (and scared for Honda!) by Nissan's bold move. My only concern, from Nissan's perspective, is whether or not the new Altima is going to compete with the Maxima now. Nissan argues that it won't.. but I really don't see how it can't.

This kind of competition within a given make is what prompted Honda to eliminate the Prelude from their model line-up.. we'll see how it plays out for Nissan.

[flylwsi]

f20c,
i just reread that..
what bout vw?
they have small disp motors, and have very close tq and hp numbers... the redline isnt as high,
so i guess the honda "soft cam" kills tq for mileage until vtec kicks in... so i guess i can see it, but not when you can get similar hp and tq outta the vw engines, or alot of other 4 cyl motors...

for example, the focus svt, if it arrives, has 170hp and 145tq, which is alot closer than a b16a... and even the h22 has 200hp w/170ish tq...
so why the looooooow tq on the b16 and the s2k? i dont get why, but i guess that is how they made it... oh well...

[F20C]

Originally posted by flylwsi
f20c,
i just reread that..
what bout vw?
they have small disp motors, and have very close tq and hp numbers... the redline isnt as high,
so i guess the honda "soft cam" kills tq for mileage until vtec kicks in... so i guess i can see it, but not when you can get similar hp and tq outta the vw engines, or alot of other 4 cyl motors...

for example, the focus svt, if it arrives, has 170hp and 145tq, which is alot closer than a b16a... and even the h22 has 200hp w/170ish tq...
so why the looooooow tq on the b16 and the s2k? i dont get why, but i guess that is how they made it... oh well...

Which VW engine are you refering to? 1.8T is turbocharged therefore it's packing more air that would normally go into an engine. When you feed engine more air/oxygen it produces more power.

VTEC is working in low rpm as it increase torque. Without 1st Stage VTEC Honda engine would not be driveable. Before 3rd Stage VTEC kicks in Honda is using VTEC for MPG and Torque purpose.

Basically engines can be tuned for different purpose. Luxury car engine are tuned for smooth delivery. Performance car engine for performance etc.

There is 3 ways to make power.

1. Force induction=Packing more air per density into engine.
2. Displacement=More cubic inch for engine to work with.
3. Raise Redline=Make engine lighter and allow it to rev higher

B16, B18 and F20C all fall into the third category.

Then you have to consider all three engine have relative small displacement. Displacement are in direct relationship with torque. The more displacement you have the more torque you obtain. With the third category you can only obtain either high ratings of hp or torque not both. You can achieve both but it will be too expensive to produce.

Focus SVT will extract 170hp and 145tq from 2.0L Zetec engine. F20C is much more tuned engine therefore with the same 2.0L displacement it extracts 240hp and 153tq. JDM spec S2000 produce 250hp and 163tq from same 2.0L! USDM S2000 is only producing 3 tq less than H22A. Prelude has the advantage of having .2 more displacement as well.