CAI vs SRI vs V2

[crazy_canuck]

OK, by saying less prone to heat soak but still effected by it, I mean that heatsoak is a problem with the V2, just not as bad as it is in the SRI.

THE RSX IS NOT AN INTEGRA
The V2 for every other car is a CAI. Due to space limitations (the AEM CAI barely fits and the V2 needs about an inch more in diameter) in the RSX engine bay a twin tube SRI design was used. IT IS AN SRI. And no matter how much air you push in the intake, its still limited by the throttle body.

And bogging down, it doesn't happen a lot, but in the summer after about an hour of driving it does/can.

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[mmont0]

Originally Posted by b18 ls

The V2 is a CAI! Period! The only dif is it uses two pipe sizes to maximize HP gains over a regular CAI. You just have to decide if you want a CAI or a SRI. If you go with a CAI, I would suggest the V2. I think most will agree with me when I say, AEM is the leader as far as air induction goes. Having said that, whats AEM's best intake? Answer, the V2 is.

Not true, not true. The V2 is MARKETED as a CAI. In reality the intake sits just about the same place as the SRI, on the RSX. The only difference is the two pipe sizes that are "supposed" to produce resonance to allow the air to flow faster. If you go to clubrsx.com you can see that the V2 DOES NOT perform as well as a CAI.

I personally didn't buy into the hype and just got an SRI for 1/4 the price of the V2.

Whoops, just read your post crazy. Didn't mean to re-iterate!

[b18 ls]

Originally Posted by mmont0

Not true, not true. The V2 is MARKETED as a CAI. In reality the intake sits just about the same place as the SRI, on the RSX. The only difference is the two pipe sizes that are "supposed" to produce resonance to allow the air to flow faster. If you go to clubrsx.com you can see that the V2 DOES NOT perform as well as a CAI.

I personally didn't buy into the hype and just got an SRI for 1/4 the price of the V2.

Fact: the V2 is a CAI for the DC2, to be honest, I don't care about the DC5. Thats why I post in the Integra forum, (which for some reason was shared with the DC5 crowd) As far as buying into the hype, the numbers on your site don't mean crap to me. I can feel the dif in my car. If I didn't, I'd put my regular CAI back on.

Ps: I personally didn't buy into the hype and just got a used DC2 for 1/4 of the price of the RSX...fISH

[SiGNAL748]

An intake's an intake.

[MR2Driver]

I agree, you're argueing over 1 or 2 horsepower. If you're worried about heat soak or hydrolock, just get a friggin ice box, argueing over which intake is best is like trying to argue that one peanut is better than another...

Its just a friggin intake, not a turbo...

[crazy_canuck]

Thanks for coming into the forum and not knowing what you're talking about. At all.

Icebox's are crap for the RSX, marginal gains, the difference between the SRI and CAI is about 10hp, sometimes more.

So can we please post if we know what we're talking about instead of coming in from Toyota forums and pretending we know something?

[CivicSpoon]

Originally Posted by crazy_canuck

Thanks for coming into the forum and not knowing what you're talking about. At all.

Icebox's are crap for the RSX, marginal gains, the difference between the SRI and CAI is about 10hp, sometimes more.

So can we please post if we know what we're talking about instead of coming in from Toyota forums and pretending we know something?

Yeah and you know what you're talking about? I don't know what the hell you're smokin' thinking you'd even get 10hp out of just an intake let alone 10+ out of a CAI over a short ram. I don't care if it's an Integra, RSX, or S2000; you're not going to see 10+hp out of just an intake. Apparently you've read too many magazine ads (like a Stillen one I saw) or you just pull some "info" out of your arse

[mmont0]

Originally Posted by b18 ls

Fact: the V2 is a CAI for the DC2, to be honest, I don't care about the DC5. Thats why I post in the Integra forum, (which for some reason was shared with the DC5 crowd) As far as buying into the hype, the numbers on your site don't mean crap to me. I can feel the dif in my car. If I didn't, I'd put my regular CAI back on.

Ps: I personally didn't buy into the hype and just got a used DC2 for 1/4 of the price of the RSX...fISH

Sorry, maybe I should clarify. The statements I made refer ONLY to the RSX. If you had read the second sentence you would see that.

Fact: The V2, ON THE RSX, is a glorified, hyped up, SRI.
Fact: The dozens of dyno graphs on clubrsx show that the V2, ON THE RSX, does not perform as well as a CAI.
Fact: Clubrsx is one of the best sites I've seen to get information ON THE RSX.
Fact: The original post/question refers to an RSX-TypeS, NOT an Integra.
Fact: It would help for you not to post misc. information about your experience with your integra when the question refers to the DC5
Fact: Your DC2 didn't cost $5k If it did, let me know where I can find one for that price! That way I can keep my mileage down on my pricey DC5.
Fact: The RSX'ers on this site don't like what they have done by placing us in here either.

Anyways, sorry if I got carried away there . I do not claim that the V2 does not outperform a CAI in any other vechicle and I would definitely defer any questions about Integras to you guys that own them .

So, before you start slamming, I just ask that people refer to the question being asked in the thread and not to generalize about every other vehicle besides the one in question and to also have done, at the very least, a bit of research of the vehicle in question.

So I would hope you have enough sense to agree that the SRI for the RSX makes a much cheaper and better alternative than the V2. Would you spend 4 times the $ for an extra 1 hp? Maybe you would.

Peace.

[mmont0]

Originally Posted by CivicSpoon

Yeah and you know what you're talking about? I don't know what the hell you're smokin' thinking you'd even get 10hp out of just an intake let alone 10+ out of a CAI over a short ram. I don't care if it's an Integra, RSX, or S2000; you're not going to see 10+hp out of just an intake. Apparently you've read too many magazine ads (like a Stillen one I saw) or you just pull some "info" out of your arse

Actually, you do get close to 10hp going from a stock airbox to a CAI/SRI on the RSX. This hp difference is actually the MAXIMUM difference at a certain RPM, not an average over the powerband. There are numerous dynos that have been done by actual owners of RSX's to show the difference between stock and CAI/SRI - see the website I mentioned if you're interested. I don't trust the magazines either, since advertisers are basically their source of income.

Now, you also have to remember that if you already have other mods installed such as a race header or better exhaust system, then the intake will probably NOT yield the 10hp results. Only if the intake is the only thing you changed, will it produce this difference.

For example, if you take an intake rated at +10 hp and a header rated at +15 hp, then your return won't be +25 hp, but something like +15 hp for both. You just can't add the two together. But you probably already know that.

As far as getting +10hp difference from a CAI vs. an SRI, that is debatable. I would think this would only happen if heat soak occured in the SRI. The RSX engine bay is very hot after just a few miles of driving, and taking in hot air doesn't produce very good results as compared to the CAI. Just take a look at my avatar and you can see that my SRI is just sucking in the hot air next to the engine. The filter is towards the rear and nowhere near the colder air that comes in the front.

If this is the case, then I can see the CAI producing +10hp over an SRI at a certain RPM, but not over the whole powerband.

If you read crazy's post again, you'll see that he's saying the DIFFERENCE between the two will be 10hp in favor of the CAI. He's not stating that the CAI will give you +20 hp and the SRI will give you +10 hp. For example, the SRI might not produce any extra output at say, 3000 rpm(just an rpm that I randomly picked out) due to heat soak while the CAI produces about +10 hp at the same rpm's. The difference being +10hp. That's all he's saying. And he should know what he's talking about since he does own and modify his RSX.

I'd have to say that quite a few other people around here "pull info out of their arses" as you so eloquently said.

Please note once again that everything I have stated, besides paragraphs 2-3, only refers to the RSX an not to any other vehicle.

Peace.

[crazy_canuck]

Originally Posted by CivicSpoon

Yeah and you know what you're talking about? I don't know what the hell you're smokin' thinking you'd even get 10hp out of just an intake let alone 10+ out of a CAI over a short ram. I don't care if it's an Integra, RSX, or S2000; you're not going to see 10+hp out of just an intake. Apparently you've read too many magazine ads (like a Stillen one I saw) or you just pull some "info" out of your arse

Alright, you called me out on this, saying i'm pulling stuff out of my ass and all that, so here it comes assclown:

As mmont0 mentioned, i'm talking about peak gain. Not the area under the curve on the dyno as that's just too hard to calculate.

Exhibit A:
http://performance.clubrsx.com/intaketest.html

Stock Airbox vs. Injen CAI = 12.5hp difference
AEM SRI Vs. Injen CAI = 8.1hp difference. So i'm a whole 1.9whp off on THIS dyno which is 5900 feet above sea level.

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Exhibit B:
http://performance.clubrsx.com/dyno/...s/cjmrsxs1.jpg
DynoRun 004 and 003 are with an Injen CAI and Borla Exhaust, 002 and 001 are stock.

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Numero trois:
http://performance.clubrsx.com/dyno.html

Just browse through and get owned a few more times. I don't feel like innumerating everything in there when its already indexed.


I'm gonna stop right here. I think that's enough proof to show that i'm not pulling stuff out of my ass and that you are yet another one with no clue about what they're talking about.

And anything else that I could say has already been said by mmont0. Thanks, man

[crazy_canuck]

Originally Posted by b18 ls

Fact: the V2 is a CAI for the DC2, to be honest, I don't care about the DC5. Thats why I post in the Integra forum, (which for some reason was shared with the DC5 crowd) As far as buying into the hype, the numbers on your site don't mean crap to me. I can feel the dif in my car. If I didn't, I'd put my regular CAI back on.

Ps: I personally didn't buy into the hype and just got a used DC2 for 1/4 of the price of the RSX...fISH

How'd I miss this post.

Anyways, yeah, as mmont0 said:

You have to understand the RSX isn't the Integra and no one was doubting the teg gains. And yeah, unless the teg has like 4000000miles on it, there's not going to be a 5500 USD Integra.

[mmont0]

No prob. Just wanted to set things straight and I didn't feel like searching around crsx for dynos!

Well, I saw an '05 TypeS today. Guess what color? Yep, satin silver! I liked the side skirts but hated the front and rear fascias. The front doesn't have the fog covers anymore and the rear has this back rubber stripe going through the middle of it. The rear lights are bumped out circles which I liked a bit better but hated the blacked out front lights. It just doesn't look good on satin silver. I was a little bit jealous about the 17" rims though. They actually look like the TSX rims.

[crazy_canuck]

Yeah, iunno, the 05 is slightly disappointing. I only really like it in Milano red and Canada doesn't get that colour!!!!
The headlights are ok, the rear bumper's plastic piece looks weird, but the gauges are the worst IMO. And I guess because i'm used to my red cf dash kit, but the interior looks plain.....

[superbluecivicsi]

Originally Posted by superbluecivicsi

yes, I do believe it is overated.

but, if you are boosted, it is a awesome. My experiences are:

EBAY CAI
AEM SRI
AEM CAI
V2
Comptech Icebox

I should of bought the comptech in the first place. But thats just one shmos experience.

I still have the V2 and AEM SRI off my 99 civic si. Make me an offer. you pay all shipping. lowballers will not be responded to email [email protected]

All these post and no one wants the V2? Only the V2 left. AEM SRI is gone.

LOL, I didnt even realize that. Buy my stuff, then let this thread die.

[crazy_canuck]

Superbluesi - How about posting something useful rather than just trying to get attention for your parts?