eclipse kill....

[boostin94]

Ok, guys. One thing I don't like is ignorance when discussing anything, so I did the homework for us all. Here is a page that shows the stock stats for the 3 generations of RX7s: http://www.bhbl.net/~wpd35/rx7.html

Stock for stock, it's not until the 3G RX7 that the car gets a 255hp engine. Until that point, you're waayyy under with the 1st gens, barely keeping up with the 2nd gens, and finally you have your 3G RX7, the true bad ass.

Now, just b/c a car has 255hp stock, doesn't mean that it's some undefeatable car. I've watched one of my friends put a $80k Viper in his place, and there's no one here going to convience me that an RX7 is as fast as a Viper... but then again, a 1G DSM isn't supposed to be either

My point? I don't know if there is really a point to arguing one car is faster than another. It all depends on how much money is put into the car. What I will say is that this RX7 owner does need to pick a fair fight with a real racer on a real track. And I'm not talking about your fists either... I'm talking about putting your car on the track and proving that it's fast. Not street racing. Street racing only proves that you don't know shit about real racing.

[Pharty012]

i was talking bout the 3g rx-7... hehe not the 2nd or the first cuz they are truely slow....
the twin turbo wankle is very nice.... and that junx will whoop a dsm...
well sorry again for the confusion...
and the domestic cars...... they do own... but they just too easy to get into low 1/4 timeslips IMO...
wouldn't you rather see an import econo car embarass a muscle car?
it's fun???
oh well thats a totally different topic.

[Pharty012]

and come on.. street racin ain't wrong.. as long as you do it right...

[EfiniRX7]

I'll give turbo'd DSM's credit where credit is due, but they're certainly not in the same class as a 3rd gen RX-7. There are quite a number of fully stock chasis/interior FD's running in the 9's and 8's at the strip (Adam Saruwatari, Ari Yallon of RX7.com to name just two) and neither are tubbed and have stock suspension setup (different coilovers and whatnot, but stock otherwise). They've been doing that for years. On a real race track with actual turns (not a *gag* dragstrip) the stock FD and even 2nd gen will more than sweep up nearly any DSM, but that's what the RX-7 was designed for. If anybody has seen any of the RevSpeed vids you'll know what I mean. It pits an RX-7 RS against two NSX's, R34 GT-R V-Spec, Evo VI GSR, WRX STi, and 996 C2. The RX7 not only comes in first after starting mid-pack (all drivers are very skilled), but has the fastest lap by a notable margin. The truth of the mater is that the RX-7 was designed from the ground up to be a superior handling supercar (initially called the NSX Killer which it does for less than half the price)and the US market DSM's were meant to be sporty coupes for the masses which happen to have a great ammount of potential, modability, and can be really quick fun cars. I'm a huge rally fan and awd DSM's make competent rally cars, but the rwd layout of an RX-7 isn't the best for that type of racing. I've seen both RX7's and Supras rally, but they seem to have a little disadvantage. They're just two very different cars for different purposes.

[Pharty012]

there you go.. now everything STr8????
lol... now about the first post.... isn't it a lil hilarious?? lol...

[Pharty012]

hey efini... where in md you live?? i live off of georgia avenue near the norbeck intersection... u?

[GSXer]

I would like for you to look at Adam (whatever hi name is) RX7, and his NSX best times on the track....and compare it to David Buschur's Talon that does 8.04 on the 1/4 with PUMP gas. I have personaly driven 3rd gen RX7's...awsome cars...yet the only reason I think people are more steered into buying one is because they look like tiny vipers. BUT, if you want to look at RELIABLE horse power and potential...you have to go with DSM's. Thats just the plain old truth. And you want to talk about track performance...look at this video, keep in mind that EVO and DSM's have the same motor (besides the fact that DSM's are denied the TDO5 16g, front mount intercooler, and fuel system stock)...pretty much the same thing. Oh yeah, the Lancer weigh's more too. Anyways, enjoy the video:
http://www.dfwdsm.org/videos/lancer/tuner_car_race.wmv
****Remember that the RX7 is modified too****

Have a nice day

[mastachi]

i dont know why you would boast about something like that. plus, the fact that he beat you off the line after you had a head start seems kind of funny. but anyway, i love my GST..all though i wouldnt mind a GSX. . If you had class, you would have just ignored him. Also, drinking an driving in a sports car is really dumb.

[EfiniRX7]

Hey Pharty012, I live in the Frederick/Hagerstown area so I'm kinda out in the boonies

I agree that the way he went about racing the guy was a bit retarded though. Next time just let it go until you see him again when you're sotally tober That way you can drive 100% and rub it in more heheh

Um, in case you didn't know Buschur's car is now tubbed with big slicks...a full blown race car. Well I'm not totally sure about his old yella car, but his newest 2G Talon definately is. Adam Saruwatari and Ari Yallon's cars aren't tubbed though (both of which are in the 9's...actually Adam is in the 8's). I'm not sure about the NSX though as I haven't read up on it at all (doesn't really interest me). They could be driven on the street or road course quite easily (not Adam's NSX though as it's a straight up drag car)with a wee bit of tweaking (not changing) of the suspension. If you really wanna get into all-out race(drag) cars then Rafaleto's 2nd Gen RX7 is the fastest out there now (in the 6's), Abel Ibarra's 3rd gen is in the low-mid 7's, and Ray Lochead's 3rd gen is right up in there too. Road racing (my particular favorite) is where the RX-7 really comes into it's own. DSM's can certainly be made to handle very very well for a really reasonable amount of money, but in stock form there's no contest.

The Evo's and US DSM's may have the same engine, but there's more to a car than just the engine. Although, I can't wait until the Evo VII gets here...it would make a KILLER daily driver hot rod They mod super easy too from what I understand and are pretty comfy. I frequent a few Lancer forums and they seem to have a few problems of their own though. They're phenomenal cars, but they're not perfect either. US DSM's aren't even the same car. I've driven and nearly owned quite a few so I'm quite familiar with them as well, but just not quite what I wanted. Like I said before they're nothing to scoff at by any means and can be made stupid quick, but for pure performance the RX-7 is the far superior car overall. I will totally agree about the overall reliablity and lower costs of the DSM's though compared to the RX-7. No contest there at all One of the fastest/best handling tuner cars in Japan now is the Scoot FD though. 741rwhp or so on pump gas, but they use much higher quality fuel there...100 octane is very common like 89 octane is here supposedy. If I recall corectly it has the fastest time around the Twin Ring Motegi circuit, but I could be wrong about the track (might've been the Nurburgring in Germany).

At any rate, both the RX-7 and US DSM's are great cars, but with totally different purposes in mind and both do what they do very well.

[zigen]

Originally posted by MaxRX7
I chased him up and down the strip for 30 min yelling at him and trying to entice him to race me on the highway and not the chicken shit light to light stuff he was proposing. He was being followed by a friend in a Neon and a muffstank so I start yelling at them telling them their friend is a pussy. I finally trap them in a parking lot and get out and go nuts. I'm yelling and screaming at this punk telling him he better back all his shit talking up and go race me for real. . They out numbered us 8 to 3, but had nothing to do with wanting to fight. I was worked up and was ready for dishing out a beat down. They eventually all got in their cars and drove away yelling stuff at us out of their windows. I tried chasing them on foot for a minute and almost kicked the mustang, but they got out of there pretty fast. What a bunch of cock sucking pussies !!!

I don't know what was up with that dude. I wanna know why he's gonna let some sucker in an overpriced "sports car" talk shit to him for 30 minutes. Then he races you and you cheat and you go back and talk more shit. I gotta tell ya if that was me you would either still be eating through a straw or you would have had a closed casket wake!
But that's just my opinion.

[walker]

alright mate i agree totally

[YOUNGSTER]

that fu is a straigh out dumb ass who doesnt know when to quit
they just close this thread already cause its getting ugly

[pimpclipse]

I will start by saying u are gay. Then i will ask what year rx7. And umm u seem to be cocky if u picked a race with awd dsm. The rx7 isnt a super car but u seem to think it is so why did u jump him on start if u think ur rx7 is a super car...U cheated but he beat u off the line? How does that work?
The viper is a muscle car not a roadster. Its heavy with an assload of hp. An rx7 isnt fast enough to slaughter an awd dsm. Barely beating it stock yes. But if u took the total cost of an rx7 compared to an eclipse and used the extra money to mod an awd dsm the dsm would blow the rx7 out the water. Less than 1500 bucks could put ur awd dsm at 300. Think im lying? Research it. An rx7 does not own an eclipse. Put a good driver in and its a good race. I like rx7 but im loyal to my awd dsm.

[ECTurboGSX]

When you compare time slips, the class and mods are very important to consider. First off, there is only one car faster in street tire class than John Shepperd's Talon, and that is a Supra. If you want to go into the class with slicks, then look at Sean Glazer, who was in the low 8s, and if you want to look at tube chassis, then David Buschur's car is close to breaking into the 6s, and Brent Rau should be kicking some butt as soon as he gets started. If you want to talk about road racing, I've seen some amazing DSMs up at Virginia International Raceway. If you really want to compare car to car, you can't look at the big teams, you gotta look at the grassroots level. A big team can make a tube frame Focus run 7s, but that doesn't really tell you much about a Focus. I personally know people who are deep into the 11s in their DSMs. One of them is a college student who was less than a tenth away from breaking into the tens. If you want to get into the best car, then there is a twin turbo ferrari f50 I wouldn't mind having, but lets face it, cost effectiveness is important.

[turboawdgsx]

I love FD's, but those things are even less reliable than DSM's. Plus the amount of money required to safely modify. Hell even slappin on a cat-back, you've increased your chance at detonating. It's nothing like modding a DSM. I'm spent a total of 5500$ including price of car, & I'm at 12.625@112. My car runs great, has handled consistent 5500k RPM dumps, as well as commute in DC traffic for 1 1/2 hours each way. Try that in a 3rd gen. But if I had a bottomless wallet, 3 FD's would be gracing my garage.

Rob