3000gt vr4 vs Supra turbo

[youngvr4]

you know what, vr4's are easily modded like any other twin turbo car and if you look at the stats for a vr4 you'll see they are equivalent to the supra. i usually never speak on this cause most people either have something against the vr4 or just really don't know about the car.
old vr4's like the one i have are at speeds of a 300zx and a rx7. but the newer vr4s are at speeds of supra and nsx.
regardless of what everyone is gonna say, "like it weighs too much" just check the stats.
or i'll tell you, 13.5

[Amish_kid]

Originally Posted by youngvr4

you know what, vr4's are easily modded like any other twin turbo car and if you look at the stats for a vr4 you'll see they are equivalent to the supra. i usually never speak on this cause most people either have something against the vr4 or just really don't know about the car.
old vr4's like the one i have are at speeds of a 300zx and a rx7. but the newer vr4s are at speeds of supra and nsx.
regardless of what everyone is gonna say, "like it weighs too much" just check the stats.
or i'll tell you, 13.5

www.car-stats.com has the Supra as 13.4 and the Mitsubishi 3000gt Vr4 14.2 both 94's and all other places I've been too also have the 3000gt listed as low 14's. Not to put it down I've seen Supra with no more than 3-4k in mods putting down 500 or so on stock turbo's to the wheels and I myself am not all the knowledgable about the Mitsu' but I'm don't know if it takes to mods as well as the Supra.

[2000LS1Z28]

Well most the racing Ive seen ALOT of modded vr4's walk away from supras. Most recent race was on kazaa. Supra vs 3000gtvr4. the vr4 just walked away from the 4th gen supra. Then after the race was over the supra did a ricer drive by. Not saying supras are slow. But a modded vr4 is something elce.

Ah, no...... I use to own a Dodge Stealth R/T Twin Turbo, and I have to tell you the car is heavy. Even w/ the suspension equipped to sport mode, the car still felt like a freight train through the turns. Take off wise of course the VR4 is gonna have an advantage. Looking just at stock figs one can see that the supra traps about 5-6 mph higher (power weight ratio is alot better, although the Poopra is heavy too). As far as modding guys, even you know how reliable DSM's can be. The Supra can take alot of boost, due to reinforced internals and intake manifold. I've heard of supras being reliable w/ 650 rwhp, on stock internals. Try to do the same w/ a 3000 GT VR4. I don't care what anyone says though, cause neither one of them feel particularly torquey to me in the lower rpm range. In any event, please point out an 8 second VR4 to me, cause I know that there are a few 8 sec. Supra MKIV's out there.

[Amish_kid]

Originally Posted by 2000LS1Z28

Ah, no...... I use to own a Dodge Stealth R/T Twin Turbo, and I have to tell you the car is heavy. Even w/ the suspension equipped to sport mode, the car still felt like a freight train through the turns. Take off wise of course the VR4 is gonna have an advantage. Looking just at stock figs one can see that the supra traps about 5-6 mph higher (power weight ratio is alot better, although the Poopra is heavy too). As far as modding guys, even you know how reliable DSM's can be. The Supra can take alot of boost, due to reinforced internals and intake manifold. I've heard of supras being reliable w/ 650 rwhp, on stock internals. Try to do the same w/ a 3000 GT VR4. I don't care what anyone says though, cause neither one of them feel particularly torquey to me in the lower rpm range. In any event, please point out an 8 second VR4 to me, cause I know that there are a few 8 sec. Supra MKIV's out there.

Actually I think the record for stock internal Supra was 958 rwhp meaning it was well over 1000hp in the motor itself.

[youngvr4]

the low 14's are for the first gen vr4's i'll post some stats since you feel you looked everywhere. and i never said they could mod as good as the supra i said there easily modded cars. and i actually know of and spoke to the guy who broke the record by having 935hp at the wheels on stock internals on the supra. but in the 1/4 and i will prove to you they are almost identical, and you with the stealth, when you ran your 1/4mile what did you run?
stock vr4 i seen ran a 13.9 3 times in a row up here, it was the 1st gen.
i have yet to run my 1/4 mile.

[youngvr4]

1994-1999 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4

This Mitsubishi has only undergone minor changes for a decade since its 1990 release. The Spyder came in 1995. Numerous facelifts have kept the styling fresh. It was sold in USA till 1999. Sold as GTO in Japan till 2001.

Base price : $30,000 (used '99) Get a free price quote

Engine : V6, turbocharged, DOHC, front engine AWD
Displacement : 2,972 cc
Valve : 24 valves, 4 valves per cylinder
Transmission : 6-spd manual
Fuel economy : city - 18 mpg
highway - 24 mpg

Suspension : F - Independent MacPherson strut
R - Independent upper and lower A-arms
Brakes : F - Vented discs
R - Vented discs

Horsepower : 320 hp @ 6000 rpm
Torque : 315 lb-ft @ 2500 rpm
Redline : 7000 rpm

Top speed : 155 mph(electronically limited)
0-60 mph : 5.0 sec.
0-¼ mile : 13.5 sec @ 105.0 mph
60-0 braking distance : 125 ft
200 ft skidpad : 0.90 g

Curb Weight : 3760 lbs(coupe), 3995 lbs(Spyder)
Overall length : 180.7 in.
Wheelbase : 97.2 in.
Overall Width : 72.4 in.
Height : 50.6 in.(coupe), 49.3 lbs(Spyder)

and thats on modernracer.com

[youngvr4]

*3000GT VR-4, Stealth RT/Turbo:
As quoted from the July 1995, Vol 47, No. 7 issue of Motor Trend:
[NOTE: 1995 3000GT VR-4 tested]
Horsepower, hp @ rpm, SAE net: 320 @ 6000
Torque, lb-ft @rpm, SAE net: 315 @ 2500
Transmission: 6-speed manual
Acceleration, 0-60 mph, sec: 5.4
Standing quarter mile, sec/mph: 13.5/101.6
Braking, 60-0, feet: 118
Handling, lateral acceleration, g: 0.89
Slalom, 600-ft, mph: 68.9

www.gate.net

[youngvr4]

Year Make & Model (0-60) (1/4 Mile)
_____ _________________________________ ______ __________

1991 Mitsubishi 3000GT SL 8.5 16.4
1991 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4 5.3 13.8
1992 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4 5.8 14.3
1993 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4 5.3 14.0
1994 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4 5.7 14.2
1995 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4 5.4 13.5
1997 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4 4.8 13.6

1983 Toyota Supra 8.9 16.8
1984 Toyota Supra 8.7 16.8
1986 Toyota Supra 7.0 15.4
1988 Toyota Supra 7.9 16.0
1989 Toyota Supra Turbo 6.6 15.2
1991 Toyota Supra Turbo 7.1 15.6
1993 Toyota Supra Turbo 4.9 13.4
1994 Toyota Supra 6.9 15.2
1994 Toyota Supra Turbo 5.3 13.7
1995 Toyota Supra Turbo 5.1 13.5
1997 Toyota Supra Turbo 5.1 13.6


and thats on www.angelfire.com

i'm not saying that the vr4 is better than the supra.
its just the vr4 is very very underestimated and people tend to think that a supra would just destroy a vr4 stock for stock. when really its right on his ass.

[Amish_kid]

I'm not doubting those number but the sites I was looking at had them all listed so I just chose 94 since it would've been the first year for both ( I know it was for the Supra). But even still Vr4 is no slouch.

[youngvr4]

1st year was actually 93 for the supra and 91 for the vr4.

[KrNxRaCer00]

nice kill buddy.

as for the "out-handling" comment from someone. u've got to remember, on the street...the car isn't always going to make the difference. if Vr4's a better driver, that could make up for ANY slight advantages the 3rd gen had on him (if any).

[2000LS1Z28]

but in the 1/4 and i will prove to you they are almost identical, and you with the stealth, when you ran your 1/4mile what did you run?

I never got a chance to take it to the track, or to practice AWD launches. The car had too many problems. I lost about $8K on it in a few months. BTW 13.6 sec. is the norm for a 2nd gen. VR4. They only trap at about 101 mph though. I was smoked by a modded one when I had a 98 Cobra (The Cobra was a graduation gift from my pops for getting a Bachelor's Deree. I subsequently sold it for the Stealth. Then had an Integra GS-R, which was totalled in a month and a half). Of course now I own a 2000 Z28.

[youngvr4]

and how does that run for you? is it the best car you've had yet?

[2000LS1Z28]

yeah, it's the best car i have ever owned. So far I have run a 13.1 sec 1/4 mile at high elevation, while on the juice of course. i can't drive worth a bean. Basically it can trap around 115 mph at sea level.

[syr74]

I have a buddy with a very well done MkIII, and it is a surpirsingly nice and fast car car to be so "mild". Horsepower before the latest turbo upgrade was right at 290rwhp (about 335 at the crank) and torque was over 340 (yes, that's right....almost 400 at the crank). Basically, the car was begging for a bigger turbo with more flow capacity. Obviously this was not stock before the turbp upgrade but it wasn't that tweaked either. I would be very interested to see what she dynoes at now.

As the owner of a turbo car myself, I and any other serious turbo owner know how much power mild mods can make too.However, I do have one problem with the Supra camp, and it mainly pertains to MkIV guys.

The MkIV is a great car, but Supra guys seem worse than average for overestimating their hp numbers. This problem occurs in all camps, but I think it is a higher than average occurence in
Mk-IV Supra-land. In recent years I spent a decent amount of time at the dyno and saw several MkIV Supra owners leave in disbelief at the rating. And, these weren't amatures or ricers. Of course, several did better than expected too, but a disproportionately high number were overly optimistic.

I know there are Supra's over 1000hp, but I believe they are even rarer than most think. I also don't like it when people talk about their hp rating and neglect to mention that the gas they are using might be suuficient for space shuttle duty.

If you are running on a form of fuel that in no way resmbles what you get at the Sunoco that is cool. But please, don't act like you are driving a car as tame as your mom's Acura RL. I think this too is a problem more prevelant in Supra circles.