96 Prelude VTEC vs WRX ??

[-The Stig-]

Originally Posted by highspeed4life

Turbo your lude, get an ACT clutch, slicks, go smoke any rex that wants to bring it.

Oh My God, I'm glad you simplified it down to EXACTLY what is needed. Regardless of driver skill, a Lude will win. Cause it has those mods... oh man, why aren't there more people like you?


Thank you!

[LjasonL]

Originally Posted by car_boy_16

Even tho it will smoke you at a stoplight, if the race started at say 40mph and your 4g vtec prelude with BPUs such as intake, exhaust, and maybe a header then you would have a very good chance at keeping up with the wrx (stock). Simply because the wrx runs out of breath after 2nd gear and the reason why it seems so quick "on paper" is because of the awd launch it's capable of (trannies cant handle it all the time tho). I would count on you keeping up with a wrx at 40+mph for a while, especially if you get a decent starting jump on him.

They are slower from a roll... like a 4th gear or above roll. don't try going from 40 mph unless you're hankerin for a spankerin. 1st - 3rd gear are very short compared to most cars, making it pull harder than it "should"

Originally Posted by highspeed4life

Turbo your lude, get an ACT clutch, slicks, go smoke any rex that wants to bring it.

Don't most bolt on turbo kit's only make like 250whp in a Prelude? You're still gonna have your hands full with a very lightly modded WRX

[fatninja19]

Originally Posted by ldelaysionl

Don't most bolt on turbo kit's only make like 250whp in a Prelude? You're still gonna have your hands full with a very lightly modded WRX

Not if they're going from a 60 punch

[mynismo]

ITS VERY EASY TO BEAT A WRX


nawwwwwwssss


load up a 150 shot and it's history.

[TatII]

i need NOS. two of them and i need them by tonight harry.

[audi&benz]

I dont know because i have never raced a lude, but a stock wrx puts out quite impressive numbers.

1/4 [email protected]
60' 2.028
330' 5.876
1/8 [email protected]
1000' 11.853

not my times, taken from clubwrx.net

I think you are going to need some major mods to hang with a wrx but good luck trying

[2000LS1Z28]

A stock prelude will get mertlized by a WRX (they are almost identical weight wise, believe it or not). the WRX has about 20 more rwhp, and traps about 4 mph higher, let alone the traction advantage (FWD cars aren't gonna grip like an AWD car, short of slicks). if you really wanna keep up with a WRX you will need some mods. Mods that i have seen (My brother is the import lover in the family, so i read his mags often) to get you where you are headed are: CAI (I'd suggest AEM), catback exhaust, headers, ground wires (Cheap mod), and a cam gear. if you are not winning after that, either the person you are racing has mods, or you are driving improperly. Honestly you are fighting an uphill battle against a turbocharged car from the get-go, because it is so easy to extract horsepower from them (Boost controller, CAI, and exhaust on a WRX will get them in the mid to low 13's).

[Self]

Originally Posted by 2000LS1Z28

A stock prelude will get mertlized by a WRX (they are almost identical weight wise, believe it or not). the WRX has about 20 more rwhp, and traps about 4 mph higher, let alone the traction advantage (FWD cars aren't gonna grip like an AWD car, short of slicks). if you really wanna keep up with a WRX you will need some mods. Mods that i have seen (My brother is the import lover in the family, so i read his mags often) to get you where you are headed are: CAI (I'd suggest AEM), catback exhaust, headers, ground wires (Cheap mod), and a cam gear. if you are not winning after that, either the person you are racing has mods, or you are driving improperly. Honestly you are fighting an uphill battle against a turbocharged car from the get-go, because it is so easy to extract horsepower from them (Boost controller, CAI, and exhaust on a WRX will get them in the mid to low 13's).

HA! Sorry to disappoint but it will take more than that to hang with a WRX. He's over 8 tenths back stock for stock! That's a lot of horsepower! Maybe all of the mods you mentioned PLUS the loss of about 300+ lbs of weight. Especially if you're going to race an actual quarter-mile. To make up 4mph of trap speed over a quarter would take about 50hp. That's a lot! Now it's a bit different if you're talking about going from a fairly quick roll or something. Then it's not quite so difficult. You MIGHT be able to hang with those mods. But my money would still be on the WRX. Seriously, if you want the best bang for the buck, and want to really give yourself a fighting chance of not only hanging, but of WINNING, get nitrous!

[CrzyMR2T]

Originally Posted by TatII

i need NOS. two of them and i need them by tonight harry.

dont forget, you want the biggest one he has.

[TatII]

hahah yes but i forgot how that line exactly went. so i couldn't type it out.

[Polygon]

Stock for stock the Prelude doesn't stand a chance unless the WRX is driven by a VERY poor driver. You would have to do some pretty extensive mods to take a stock WRX, and I'm not talking bolt-ons.

[2000LS1Z28]

HA! Sorry to disappoint but it will take more than that to hang with a WRX. He's over 8 tenths back stock for stock! That's a lot of horsepower! Maybe all of the mods you mentioned PLUS the loss of about 300+ lbs of weight. Especially if you're going to race an actual quarter-mile. To make up 4mph of trap speed over a quarter would take about 50hp. That's a lot! Now it's a bit different if you're talking about going from a fairly quick roll or something. Then it's not quite so difficult. You MIGHT be able to hang with those mods. But my money would still be on the WRX. Seriously, if you want the best bang for the buck, and want to really give yourself a fighting chance of not only hanging, but of WINNING, get nitrous!

No offense but the H22A motor isn't a slouch, it actually dynos around 169 fwhp. I believe the Sube dynos somewhere in the 170-180ish awhp range. In Import Tuner they dynoed one after CAI, exhaust, and some other slight mod to the tune of 18X fwhp. That's with minor bolt ons. Heck out of a B18 motor turbo magazine has seen as high as 200fwhp, and the H22a is known for being a better drag race motor. With the mods i had listed he would be cranking out atleast 200 fwhp. That's 20 more whp then a stock WRX. Self you should check out some stats on the H22A motor, it is a well known Honda drag racing engine, when of course loaded with aftermarket goodies.

[Polygon]

Originally Posted by 2000LS1Z28

No offense but the H22A motor isn't a slouch, it actually dynos around 169 fwhp. I believe the Sube dynos somewhere in the 170-180ish awhp range. In Import Tuner they dynoed one after CAI, exhaust, and some other slight mod to the tune of 18X fwhp. That's with minor bolt ons. Heck out of a B18 motor turbo magazine has seen as high as 200fwhp, and the H22a is known for being a better drag race motor. With the mods i had listed he would be cranking out atleast 200 fwhp. That's 20 more whp then a stock WRX. Self you should check out some stats on the H22A motor, it is a well known Honda drag racing engine, when of course loaded with aftermarket goodies.

You're a fool if that is all you're going to base your argument off of. You forgot a very crucial thing, and that is torque. The WRX has more torque than the Prelude and it also produces the bulk of its torque lower in the powerband while the Prelude will produce the bulk of its torque very high in the powerband. There are also the issues of traction, weight, and gearing.

[2000LS1Z28]

You're a fool if that is all you're going to base your argument off of. You forgot a very crucial thing, and that is torque. The WRX has more torque than the Prelude and it also produces the bulk of its torque lower in the powerband while the Prelude will produce the bulk of its torque very high in the powerband. There are also the issues of traction, weight, and gearing.

My Momma didn't raise no dummy. I was talking versus a stock WRX (Does anybody here read my posts?????????). a minor bolt on 200 whp Prelude should be able to win against a stock WRX. i already admitted that the fact that the WRX is turboed makes it easier to mod from the get-go. BTW most vtec engines actually have a flat torque curve, although it definitely isn't as broad as the WRX's.

[2000LS1Z28]

I was just thinking about your reply Polygon. i think you are talking about getting you out of the hole torque, versus getting away horsepower. Yes the WRX does have more torque, at a more useful rpm, but the Prelude's actually aren't as torqueless as the other honda engines. I'm sure you already know the honda has a bigger engine then the regular WRX (STi obviously being larger then the regular WRX motor). It still has to compensate for being N/A though, so the Sube is gonna have better bottom end torque with it's tiny, easy to spool, turbo. I still think a Prelude with CAI, catback, ground wires, headers, and cam gears would win though, over a stock WRX. I've seen some quick hondas at the track.