Clear this up for me PLEASE!!!

[bracer]

Some nice info in this thread! You guys don't mind if I use some of this info for my site don't you?
The only thing I don't get is what the difference is between the Civic Shuttle and the Wagon? Isn't the US wagon the same as the JDM/EDM Shuttle?

this is the EDM shuttle

[sastanley]

Yeah!! The USDM Wagovan!! And it still comes with sidemarkers and clear corners in Europe!! Prolly JDM tails too.... Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhh!!!! :cry:

[Moppie]

Originally posted by EF6_CR-X
Howdy, I'm new here
from New Zealand as well

Hey mate welcome along!
That is a very awsome list you've compiled there. Did you get it off the Honda Japan website?

Anyway theres a few of us Kiwis in here, and around the rest of Automotiveforums.com, (this is the PureHonda part of the AF forums) so get out and say high. Theres also some Kiwi related discusions in the Asia pasfic Forum so go say high there.

[Moppie]

Originally posted by bracer
Some nice info in this thread! You guys don't mind if I use some of this info for my site don't you?

Go for it, I dont mind at all. (just add a little credit to me and EF6_CR-X if you could. )

Yes that is a pic of the Civic Shuttle, the Wagon just looks like a Sedan with a wagon back instead of a boot. There not very big, and are VERY rare, Iv only ever seen one.

[Worshp]

Originally posted by EF6_CR-X
Howdy, I'm new here
from New Zealand as well

I just stumbled across this thread and thought I would respond, sorry for the length of this but thought I may be able to help as there seems to be a lot of incorrect information about JDM specs on the net.

This covers JDM models of the EF series (1988 to 1991)
(I didn't include the Civic Shuttle/Wagon but I can post them if you want)

CR-X
1.5X EF6 1493cc D15B 16v 105hp dual carb
Si EF7 1590cc DOHC ZC 16v 130hp Injected
*SiR EF8 1595cc DOHC VTEC B16A 16v 160hp Injected

Civic Hatch
23L EF1 1343cc D13B 16v 82hp single carb
23U EF1 1343cc D13B 16v 82hp single carb
25R EF2 1493cc D15B 16v 91hp single carb
25X EF2 1493cc D15B 16v 105hp dual carb
25XT EF2 1493cc D15B 16v 105hp dual carb
Si EF3 1590cc DOHC ZC 16v 130hp Injected
*SiR EF9 1595cc DOHC VTEC B16A 16v 160hp Injected


Civic 4 door
33U EF1 1343cc D13B 16v 82hp single carb
35M EF2 1493cc D15B 16v 91hp single carb
35X EF2 1493cc D15B 16v 100hp dual carb
35XT EF2 1493cc D15B 16v 100hp dual carb
36i EF3 1590cc SOHC ZC 16v 120hp Injected
RT-Si EF5 1590cc DOHC ZC 16v 130hp Injected 4WD
RTX EF5 1590cc SOHC ZC 16v 105hp dual carb 4WD
RTi EF5 1590cc SOHC ZC 16v 120hp Injected 4WD
Si EF3 1590cc DOHC ZC 16v 130hp Injected

*NOTE:
1.SiR models were only introduced in late 1989.
2.For the 1990-91 years, ALL Civic Hatch and CR-X models were fitted with the new front, not just the SiR (as is very commonly believed)

this data is very accurate and has been sourced from Honda Japan.

Peace.

Welcome to PH!!!!

So you drive a twin carb CRX....my sis had one until she wrote it off, but I was suprised at how well it went!

The HP figures you posted are actually in PS, which is the japanese power figure....1hp =approx .987PS, so the hp figures are slightly less than quoted. Also the 1990-1991 facelift also occurred in 1989 for both civic and crx...my sisters 1989 EF6 CRX was the facelift model, and I happened to swap all the facelift pieces over onto my CRX!!!

[EF6_CR-X]

Worship: you are right, the facelift occured at the same time the SiR was introduced, in September 1989. correct me if I am wrong but this would probably be refered to as the '1990 year of manufacture', (as the 2nd gen CR-X was introduced in Sep 1987)

Aslo good point about the PS and HP difference, I remember reading on Temple of Vtec Asia about that, PS is just over 1% bigger than HP, so the specs would only be significantly different for the B16A and DOHC ZC. (I spend ages compiling that list and coudn't be bothered to calculate them, but I guess I should have pointed that out) sorry.

My CR-X goes pretty well for a 1.5, the suspension setup is the same as the Si except for no rear sway bar, A quick trip to the wreckers solved that and made the rear so much better.

Wagon=Shuttle as Moppie said, they were made for quite a while, until late 1995. There were quite a few models, here is a pic of a 1995 Shuttle 'Beagle' in stock form. (Note: price is in NZ Dollars)
Also as Moppie said there are many versions of the models I listed earlier, with 'EXTRA' and 'Limited', but this only refers to trim specs, cup holders, etc.

[Worshp]

Originally posted by EF6_CR-X
Worship: you are right, the facelift occured at the same time the SiR was introduced, in September 1989. correct me if I am wrong but this would probably be refered to as the '1990 year of manufacture', (as the 2nd gen CR-X was introduced in Sep 1987)

Aslo good point about the PS and HP difference, I remember reading on Temple of Vtec Asia about that, PS is just over 1% bigger than HP, so the specs would only be significantly different for the B16A and DOHC ZC. (I spend ages compiling that list and coudn't be bothered to calculate them, but I guess I should have pointed that out) sorry.

The facelift is commonly referred to as the 1990-91 shape as it helps to differentiate the change over. also as you correctly pointed out the Civic and CRX were introduced in Spet 1987...i once owned a '87 Si Civic which was the new shape.

PS and HP are so close, which is why people never bother translating it...but I think effectively the B16A1 had 155hp, while the ZC had 127hp.

Good to see you on this board...the 71-91 Civic and CRX forum was the nicest on purehonda, and will always be the nicest on automotive forums!!!

[Setanta]

As I recollect, there were 2 shuttles - one based on the 3G civic floorpan and the other on the 4G. I drove a 3G Shuttle with AWD - it was sweet. I have a feeling that the 4G may have come out with it as well, but I'm not sere. I do remember a Sydney motorshow c1990 where they had an AWD Shuttle and a 4WS 'lude on their sides to display the technology.

[EF6_CR-X]

Here is where I get all the JDM info, It is a really good site, takes a bit of imagination and trial and error sometimes as not all things get translated properly. (fortunately it provides a picture of the car)
But basically it covers ALL cars sold on the Japanese market (inculding European, US, UK makes) form 1989 until now.
It is very detailed, it lists everything about all cars (i.e. what options there were for each model, colours, all performance and economy specs, and the price of the car)

you need to use the altavista/babelfish translator.
http://babelfish.altavista.com/

here is the site
http://autos.yahoo.co.jp/ucar/

Setana listed the official Honda site, but unfortunately it does not cover all models, which can be annoying.

When I found it a few months ago, I spent ages looking around it.
(very useful for people in NZ who are interested in buying a used import and want to know exactly what and how good it is)

BTW: In japan a civic is refered to as a 'ti Bick' (i have no idea why)
Hope this is of some use..

[bracer]

Originally posted by Moppie

Go for it, I dont mind at all. (just add a little credit to me and EF6_CR-X if you could. )

Sure, no prob.

Yes that is a pic of the Civic Shuttle, the Wagon just looks like a Sedan with a wagon back instead of a boot. There not very big, and are VERY rare, Iv only ever seen one.

Cool, a 4th gen I didn't even know existed! wonder what it looks like.
So a SiR is actually 160ps which means 158hp....hmm, maybe you should change your sig

EF6_CR-X, nice link, it really got all the info. It's the first time I searched for a Honda 'ti Bick'

[Setanta]

I seem to recollect that the CRX was a ballad or some such in Japan when it first came out. Unless my memory is playing tricks on me. Nice Links BTW

[EF6_CR-X]

Originally posted by Setanta
I seem to recollect that the CRX was a ballad or some such in Japan when it first came out. Unless my memory is playing tricks on me. Nice Links BTW

Yep all the 1st gen JDM CR-X's were called "Ballade Sports" (i'm sure this was the same elsewhere as well), similarly the second generation were nicknamed "Cyber Sports" and then the "Del Sol" but all 3 generations of JDM CR-X's were called CR-X. Unlike in the states where its just 'Del Sol'.
The first gens came in 3 models from Japan: 1.3 carb, 1.5 injected, 1.6 DOHC injected.

[djnikko]

could someone please point out the differences between my euro d16a9 CRx and the ZC series engine.....thanks
nick

[Setanta]

I'm going to wing this one, but the d16a9 is a DOHC engine right? In which case it is simply the last genesis of the ZC. Our CRXs only came in DOHC and had either a ZC or d16a in them - both were the same engine despite the designation on the engine. The ZC/d16a then carried over into our EG Civics in Si trim.

Hope this helps

[Melt]

I got to drive one of the 4wd wagons. The 6-spd tranny was fucking badass. Didnt buy that car cause of high miles and a couple of other issues, and it was top heavy as a mother. Would have been a nice car though.

How come the US never gets any good cars. I hella would shmob a SI 4dr or an SIR hatch. We also get the watered down version of the mitsubishi lancer, and not the evolution.