Molding lines....What are they ??

[gasman03]

Oh, that's odd... I'm yet to see at least one Tamiya kit with flash, even 30 years old.... They just maintain their molds in good condition, and they actually spend money on keeping the tools almost as new (in addition to tooling new kits every year...)

AMT molds where basically sent around the world, from the US, the China, back to the US, then back to china, they get the shit beaten out of them. plus, AMT makes twice the number of kits from a tool then Tamiya does.

Tamiya just reissued the Porsche 956 which was first released in 83 or 84. No such problems with the new kits. Also the tools (molds) can be made from different types of metal. The harder the metal the more expensive it is to make. Tamiya, it seems uses a harder material than other manufacturers which is why their tools keep putting out first quality kits for a longer time. Or they care enough about quality to refurbish their tools from time to time.

yea, released in 83-84, most AMT kits molds where made from the mid 60's early 70's. Tamiya also has the $$$$$$ to maintain and refurbish the molds, money that AMT does'nt have.

[scaleracecars]

Originally Posted by gasman03

AMT molds where basically sent around the world, from the US, the China, back to the US, then back to china, they get the shit beaten out of them. plus, AMT makes twice the number of kits from a tool then Tamiya does.





yea, released in 83-84, most AMT kits molds where made from the mid 60's early 70's. Tamiya also has the $$$$$$ to maintain and refurbish the molds, money that AMT does'nt have.

I would think good pckaging would take care of the beating problem.
How many kits does AMT make from a tool? How many kits does Tamiya make from a tool? Just curious. I am kind of funny that way.

You said 20 years in your previous post. The math tells me the Tamiya kit is 20 years +- a few months.
Maybe Tamiya has the money but who is at fault for the condition of the AMT tools? Could it be that we just get the same old shit in a different box every few years? No wonder no one want to pay more than $10.00 for a AMT kit.

You do realize that we are in a global economy and the whole world is not filled with AMT and Revell kits. We tend to keep most of the trash at home. Even Revell of Germany know enough to borrow tools from the Japenese manufacturers.

[gasman03]

take it like this, every single Wal-Mart has AMT kits. also, Tamiya quality control is SO much better then AMT's, I've gotten AMT kits that have had the wrong body's and glass in them. I don't know exact numbers, i'm guessing at least 20,000 in a run, and that a guess.

there's ALOT of stuff AMT should reissue, like there Subaru Brat, Dodge Stealth, Chevy Berretta, early 90 IROC-Z Camaro's, alot of the old MPC kits, plus a ton of other stuff which AMT has, but won't reissue for some unknown reason

Look at Aoshsimo (I can never spell that) which has reboxed the AMT Supra,

[scaleracecars]

Originally Posted by gasman03

take it like this, every single Wal-Mart has AMT kits. also, Tamiya quality control is SO much better then AMT's, I've gotten AMT kits that have had the wrong body's and glass in them. I don't know exact numbers, i'm guessing at least 20,000 in a run, and that a guess.

there's ALOT of stuff AMT should reissue, like there Subaru Brat, Dodge Stealth, Chevy Berretta, early 90 IROC-Z Camaro's, alot of the old MPC kits, plus a ton of other stuff which AMT has, but won't reissue for some unknown reason

Look at Aoshsimo (I can never spell that) which has reboxed the AMT Supra,

Well, Rumor has it a new tool casts around $20,000 to produce. That would mean that $10.00 of each kit from a first run would have to go to the tool plus the actual manufacturing costs.Then there is shippping to distributors who have to add something to the cost of a kit for their services. The hobby shop then purchases the kit and has to add to the cost of the kit for their services. I think you are underestimating the number of kits by a WIDE margin.

[360spider]

[quote=scaleracecars]Well, Rumor has it a new tool casts around $20,000 to produce. [quote]
I actually heard more than that - about $200,000 I know that Tamiya spend almost $500,000 for the Enzo tool.

[gasman03]

I ment reissueing a kit, about 20grand, licencing, located molds, styrene, I'm won't be surpised if the enzo cam near 750,000, but they had ALOT of help from Ferrari to do that kit. so i'm guessing around 4-500,000,

[scaleracecars]

[quote=360spider][quote=scaleracecars]Well, Rumor has it a new tool casts around $20,000 to produce.

I actually heard more than that - about $200,000 I know that Tamiya spend almost $500,000 for the Enzo tool.

Typo. I meant to type 200,000. Anyway just as I figured a lot of 20,000 models does not even come close to making a return on an investment. I would expect a mold has to produce in the range of 100,000 plus models to make any money at all for a manufacturer.

[gasman03]

I know I won't be the only here who would hope to see this reissued



BTW, it does come with stock parts, a great old MPC kit last seen in the mid 80's, AMT bought MPC in the late 90's, and I can garrentee that AMT has this mold in the warehouse

[blueboost]

P-man is just trying to rub it in that I completely missed the mold line on the FRONT bumper of my NISMO R32. I should be banned. Im ashamed.

[360spider]

Originally Posted by gasman03

I know I won't be the only here who would hope to see this reissued



BTW, it does come with stock parts, a great old MPC kit last seen in the mid 80's, AMT bought MPC in the late 90's, and I can garrentee that AMT has this mold in the warehouse

I think I've seen this kit couple times on eBay, pretty cheap.

[scaleracecars]

Originally Posted by gasman03

take it like this, every single Wal-Mart has AMT kits. also, Tamiya quality control is SO much better then AMT's, I've gotten AMT kits that have had the wrong body's and glass in them. I don't know exact numbers, i'm guessing at least 20,000 in a run, and that a guess.

there's ALOT of stuff AMT should reissue, like there Subaru Brat, Dodge Stealth, Chevy Berretta, early 90 IROC-Z Camaro's, alot of the old MPC kits, plus a ton of other stuff which AMT has, but won't reissue for some unknown reason

Look at Aoshsimo (I can never spell that) which has reboxed the AMT Supra,

Wal-Mart is not know for having the best products but the cheapest.
They probably don't reissue these kits because the tools are worn out, missing parts, not wanted by enough people etc...
This is a little like the hobby shop only kits sold by Testors and others in a similar fashion. They are hobby shop only items because in most cases they are re-issued kitsmade from worn out molds that almost resemble the kits they once were. In any case a store like Wal-Mart would have most of them returned because they suck. A hobby shop on the other hand can warn the buyer of the problems and as a rule the novice model builder does not shop at a hobby shop but a Wal-Mart for models. More experienced model builders however do tend to lean toward making purchases from a hobby store because that is where the paints and other suppliers are.

[gasman03]

They probably don't reissue these kits because the tools are worn out, missing parts, not wanted by enough people etc...

Not wanted by enoughpeop , hmmmm, then why would Revell make new kits of cars like the 40 Ford, and the 29 Ford Rat Rod, there's a whole other area of the hobby, and all these people build are muscle cars and street Rods. If you ever go to a model car contest that a club or a hobby store has orginized, you will notice that pre-1970 stuff out number everything else. the most recent show I was at there where only two "import" style cars, and one was mine, there where about 100 models at the show.

and these tools are not "worn out", they where only reissued once or twice and seen with the last ten years, I doubt if anything was lost when they shipped everything over to China

A hobby store will never dis a kit, there maken money, the only why theyed dis a kit is if another manufactuer has a better kit thats more expensive. I've bought well over 200 kits in my lifetime and have never been told when buying a kit that the kit is bad.

[scaleracecars]

Originally Posted by gasman03

Not wanted by enoughpeop , hmmmm, then why would Revell make new kits of cars like the 40 Ford, and the 29 Ford Rat Rod, there's a whole other area of the hobby, and all these people build are muscle cars and street Rods. If you ever go to a model car contest that a club or a hobby store has orginized, you will notice that pre-1970 stuff out number everything else. the most recent show I was at there where only two "import" style cars, and one was mine, there where about 100 models at the show.

and these tools are not "worn out", they where only reissued once or twice and seen with the last ten years, I doubt if anything was lost when they shipped everything over to China

A hobby store will never dis a kit, there maken money, the only why theyed dis a kit is if another manufactuer has a better kit thats more expensive. I've bought well over 200 kits in my lifetime and have never been told when buying a kit that the kit is bad.

Well as a store owner I disagree. Please look at this description of a kit I received a couple of weeks ago.
poor quality kit
I have done everything to discourage most people from buying this kit. It is probably not as bad as I have described. The fact is I try not to sell people products they will be dissapointed with. If I get some in that are questionable I will say so. I think it is the right thing to do. My customers know when they buy something from me it is a quality product unless I say otherwise. This is good business and the plastic companies should stop reissuing kits with excessive flash and out of alignment tools. This just makes them look bad.
As for most models being pre 70's I think that is understandable. The vast majority of kits are pre 70's cars. Also most hobby shops in the US do not carry a wide selection of foreign made kits and foreign subjects.

I can not answer the queston about why Revell or any other company would make new kits of the cars you mentioned. I can say that after all of the begging and pleading for another Ala Kart we finally get a new tool and there are still fit/scale/other problems with it.

I really don't know where this is going but I do understand that AMT is your favorite kit maker bcause of the subjects and not the quality of the product. I guess I am lucky that I like Tamiya kits because of the subjects and the quality.

David
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